Some breaking news from the BNP's RWB ..............
news is coming in of a very senior BNP Official, who is no stranger to controversy himself, punching another leading BNP member, then running off, late last night.
BNP security are said to be, 'not too happy' about this disturbance.
The 'leading BNP member' is rumoured to have quit the party !
More as we get it .
This story, if confirmed, will be a major story for a while to come.
NWN: Postscript; Seems it is true !
86 comments:
Mark Collett, John Walker, Andrew Spence...
Clash of the Egos?
Or is it possible that financial matters were involved????
I'm praying Griffin got smashed in the gob, did he? And if not I'd like to volunteer to do it :-)
Kind regards
Sharon Ebanks
This is hardly surprising.
Griffin has set the lowest standards of behaviour as acceptable.
He lacks the courage and conviction to face a challenge fairly - a challenge he would almost certainly win given the advantage of his public expopsure -and undermines a potential future challenger - Bowden - by having somebody else falsely accuse him of 'being a nonce'.
Then Griffin lies to Bowden by giving Bowden false assurances.
Griffin cannot complain if he faces similar tactics from his opponents.
There are already rumours on the internet about the private life of Griffin and his family. How can Griffin complain if these are used to destroy him or his family?
Disgraceful? Of course.
False or not? Irrelevant as Griffin has shown that does not matter to him in his own struggle.
If Griffin is ever toppled, it will probably be by some entirely false, scurrilous and unproved rumour: reaping what he has sown.
Is it the 'very senior BNP official' or the 'leading BNP member' who has quit the party?
Is the puncher or the one who was punched that has quit the party?
I sthat breaking wind or breaking news?
You have got it wrong, but when you follow the lead of Lancaster UAF and minions that is no surprise!
Mark Collett John Walker and Andrew Spence were involved according to Lancaster UAF
Perhaps this was a deliberate stunt to draw attention away from the latest Griffin money making idea..."Horse Matters" ?
Perhaps we can look forward to jousting at the next RWB, instead of mere peasant on foot?
Yet another episode of "Soap" then?
Would this be that rat Collett again?
I heard something about him punching someone.
No doubt it will all be revealed
roumour has it, it was griffins gay love pup collett who punched the fuel protester. over what, we have no idea . maybe someone can enlighten us
"...Griffin's gay love pup Collett..."
See, it has already started, the scurrilous rumour mill that is.
What next?!
No doubt Lick Spittle Collett will come out of this smelling of roses again just like he always does.
He and that useless twat Cromie fucked up Bradford BNP.
Excellent councillors such as Angie Clarke and James Lewthwaite have had all sorts of shit chucked at them by this scheming pair of tits.
They are in the process of getting James Lewthwaite chucked out of the BNP,and it looks like they might be succesful
Would posters please remember to curb the strong language.
Thank you Ladies & Gentlemen.
Pete R said...
Mark Collett, John Walker, Andrew Spence...
Clash of the Egos?
Or is it possible that financial matters were involved????
Are you insinuating that Mark wanted a larger hand out from the takings? Maybe another carrier-bag full.
"the latest Griffin money making idea..."Horse Matters" ?"
Horse matters? Is he going round market gardens selling horse manure? 'Tlwould make a change from going round the doors selling BS!
Apologies on the industrial language
However as I am sure you and the readers understand,Collett and Griffin are enough to make a saint swear.
Sorry once again
A member of BNP security known as 'The Penguin' has apparently resigned.
Is this true that Andrew Spence is being expelled from the BNP?
Good heavens whatever will they think of next?
Expulsions, proscriptions, Solidarity, Civil Liberty, Albion Life, Cars, Croatia,
Oh and maybe gaining the odd council seat; I nearly forgot that one!
"Is this true that Andrew Spence is being expelled from the BNP?
Good heavens whatever will they think of next?
Expulsions, proscriptions, Solidarity, Civil Liberty, Albion Life, Cars, Croatia"
Every party has disciplinary procedures, and rules and basic standards to which members are required to adhere. Spence will have the right to a fair hearing before he is expelled, and any other complaints received will be investigated. That's what democracy is all about.
West Mids you have just summed up the modern day BNP in your last posting.
"Spence will receive a fair hearing before he is expelled."
Shouldn't it be
"Spence will receive a fair hearing before the decision is made whether to expel him or not"
West Mids writes:
"Spence will have the right to a fair hearing before he is expelled"
ROTFL!
You really couldn't make it up!
Old Halifax you are right, it was clumsy terminology rather than anything more sinister.
At least it's given our friend from Searchlight a straw to clutch at though.
And then he had the nerve to say
"That's what democracy is all about"
Classic,but unfortunately a fair portrait of Griffins BNP
"Spence will have the right to a fair hearing before he is expelled"
Hahahahahaha, made my day that has.
The BNP Britains Lost Hope
Kind regards
Sharon Ebanks
you were never expelled pete r because you weren't a member.
ain't that right
That would be the case with Lee Barnes as well then?
Senior BNP official,not actually a member of the party.
Strange state of affairs that
pete r was stabbed in the back by Griffin for the same reason Bowden was, namely they were both more intelligent, better public speakers and would have made better leaders than Griffin. Griffin wants nothing threatening his ego and the gravy train that the BNP has become for him.
"pete r was stabbed in the back by Griffin for the same reason Bowden was, namely they were both more intelligent, better public speakers and would have made better leaders than Griffin."
You don't have a problem with him working for Searchlies then?
"You don't have a problem with him working for Searchlies then? "
I certainly would if he did, but I don't believe he does.
There's one born every minute.
Oh how convenient!
Pete R...is more intelligent, a better speaker etc and...it turns out he (supposedly) works for 'searchlies'.
Bowden is more intelligent, a better speaker etc and...well you know the rest.
Who else is going to be expelled or forced out or destroyed, simply for using the their natural talents for the benefit of the party?
Was Spence also forced out?
By provocation?
By being given crap leaflets at Sedgefield?
Could Griffin really have the nationally known fuel protester do well in a by election?
Heavens to murkatroyd! Spence might actually have been selected as a candidate for a winnable seat in the Euro elections and we all know Griffin is going to cherry pick that one....and all its salary, expenses etc.
I cannot believe he would work for Searchlies. I heard it was a lie started by Charlie Sargeant, who is hardly a man to be trusted or believed.
pete r is doing more good for the movement than most. Read his magazine and read his website- excellent.
I have serious questions for all the BNP ostriches looking in
Once you KNOW the truth and you do KNOW the truth about the BNP, why is it so hard for you to just walk away and find a decent home?
I was told all sorts of shite about Pete Barker, Peter Rushton, Adrian Davies etc etc
The truth is, they were all telling the truth about Griffin and his gang of cockroaches and thieves but the crooks in the BNP want you to believe different. Many people in the BNP are terrified of being ostracised if they speak up but you soon find out they were never your friends to begin with. And to quote Griffins attack dog, Tommy Williams “We have done everything we possibly can to destroy her reputation” and it still continues but I count myself lucky that I have genuine friends who KNOW me and my family.
I know there are organisers reading this who never declare their full takings because John Walker steals it from the regions to give to the greedy bastards who do fuck all at BNP HQ. I know organisers who beg and plead for their branch money for months and never get it. Why hide your head in the sand when you know these greedy bastards are preventing your branches from growing expanding and winning?
Every time you pick up the Voice of Freedom they are asking for money on EVERY page yet the regions are self funding and Griffin claims to be on £15,000 a year. Where is the money?
Griffin wrote out a BNP cheque to Solidarity for £1000 and it bounced. Where is the money?
Griffin refuses to pay a British printer £580 for BNP leaflets and merchandise preferring instead to claim that I owe it to the printer. Where is the money?
Griffin night after night screams at audiences about White flight and the wealthy scum who get onto planes deserting Britain, yet he has land and property in Croatia…
From the pages of Mays V of F he screams about the outsourcing of British jobs yet the BNP gets all its leaflets papers and magazines printed in Slovenia. Shouldn‘t British workers be doing them? Don‘t believe his crap about no printers wanting to do the work. I found 7 companies in 1 day who would do the work. He uses Slovenia because it‘s cheap and it‘s cheap labour…
Griffin yells on and on about foreign produce yet EVERYTHING the BNP sells is manufactured in China
Dave Shapcott the now retired Burnley organiser almost kills himself every year helping out at RWB but little does he know of the secret meeting to have him thrown out of the party last year. Oh yes, Dave, if you’re looking in. Griffin said “He’s retiring soon and the problem will be sorted” and I note you were there putting up tents for the greedy bastard again this year. Remember the posts you made in the NNP mods forum? They didn’t happen did they Dave and still you’re busting your balls for assholes that you KNOW are born LIARS.
The list goes on and on
THE BNP TAKES ADVANTAGE OF GOOD PEOPLE WHILE PAYING AND REWARDING THE SCUM.
I note Mr Spencer just like Bowden is being touted as “NO LOSS” but you pathetic ignorant fools don’t realise that to Griffin’s BNP you’re “NO LOSS” either. And spare me the martyred crap about the party being bigger than any single person. The BNP is Griffins party lock stock and barrel and that includes all the money and all the rewards. You’re being used to finance Griffins personal whims and dreams
WAKE UP YOU LEMMINGS, it’ll be the best time you’ve ever had.
Kind regards
Sharon Ebanks
And so the BNP sad and sorry saga continues.
Here is the first chapter with the dewy eyed hopeful joining such a GOOD CAUSE!
a) person with talent/intelligence/professionalism/scruples joins the BNP.
b) said person becomes active within the BNP. Works hard and uses their talents accordingly.
All good so far!
But then the clouds darken and here
is the penultimate chapter:-
c) that said person questions the finances and accountability of the BNP leadership.
d) that person shows promise as a potential high flier within the party
e) if these certain people do NOT toe the leadership line what happens?
Well the final chapter of that persons life within the BNP is pretty predictable.
They are expelled, or life is made so difficult that they have no choice but to resign.
Then just to make sure they have no further credibility and possibly support from existing members, they are smeared and lied about until they then have no standing within nationalist circles.
If that isn't QUITE enough and they have the temerity to try to fight back to keep their good name, they are then threatened and bullied, and by threatened I mean seriously with physical violence if needs be.
Again to make a final and really telling job of all this they will then have their families threatened or befouled on some dreadful internet blog.
There you have it.
No one of any talent or honesty stays around.
You could ask why is this so?
Try asking and the answer is staring you in the face.
Winning council seats, by-elections even gaining an MP is NOT the game the BNP are playing.
OK the rank and file and the activists are playing that game, but they are completely unaware that the leadership is playing a totally different game.
Oh no patriots; the leadership and the surrounding acolytes are playing:-
EGO, POWER, STATUS, GREED, CRUELTY, CONTROL, DISHONESTY, MONEY.
So will this particular game take us any nearer to getting back our country?
Of course not.
Will it feather the nest of the very small minority with the power of the purse?
Absolutely.
Sharon, you've left the BNP so why are you so concerned about it? Your own little party not going anywhere is it? ROFL!
West Mids said...
Sharon, you've left the BNP so why are you so concerned about it? Your own little party not going anywhere is it? ROFL!
7:27 PM
I see West Mids that you use that boring old tactic of shooting the messenger rather than addressing the message.
Have you no constructive analytical powers?
It is an intimidating tactic (if it works that is) but it has no merit and it is a bullying way (or cowardly way) however you care to look at it and serves no purpose.
Was there any serious discussion about a possible General election push at the RWB ?
We wouldn't have thought so.The politics has been jettisoned within the BNP.
West Mids said:
"Sharon, you've left the BNP so why are you so concerned about it? Your own little party not going anywhere is it?"
Fact is you could have said the same about the NNF / BNP during the early 1980s, while the NF was going through its prolonged decline (hastened by Mr Griffin's financial and factional scheming).
Who in those days would have predicted that JT would take the BNP to a position where it was able to win a council seat and was indisputably the dominant nationalist movement in Britain?
Even fewer would have predicted that Griffin would end up leading it!
So the point is not whether the party formed by Ms Ebanks appears to be flourishing.
The point is whether she is telling the truth about the financial chicanery in Nick Griffin's BNP - after all she is in a better position to know than most of us, having been the leading Griffinite fundraiser until she saw the light!
Nick Griffin and his acolytes had a perfect opportunity last month to dispel some of the rumours, simply by filing a healthy set of accounts within the legal deadline. They failed.
Why would anyone with any talent or ability have anything to do with the BNP, when they know that it is only a matter of time before they are abused, threatened and forced out?
"West Mids said...
Sharon, you've left the BNP so why are you so concerned about it? Your own little party not going anywhere is it? ROFL!"
1, Yes that's right, I resigned. I WASN'T EXPELLED AS YOU ALLOW EVERYONE TO THINK ON THE BNP FORUM.
2, I'm not concerned with the BNP, I'm concerned its members get to know the truth and as I now have one of those membership lists doing the rounds they'll find out faster than you think.
3, The NNP is just fine thank you. A small party but ALL members are decent and honest individuals. I bet you wish you were a decent and honest individual?
4, ROTFL? Yes, we'll all be laughing at you soon enough. Have you seen our by-election leaflets?
Kind regards
Sharon Ebanks
"Nick Griffin and his acolytes had a perfect opportunity last month to dispel some of the rumours, simply by filing a healthy set of accounts within the legal deadline. They failed."
I await those accounts with baited breath. I shall then dispel them as a myth in any court they care to put me in.
Kind regards
Sharon Ebanks
Why on the official BNP members forum
has any mention of the Spence/Walker affair been stifled?
Kevin Scott and the Sunderland organiser started discussing the event and they were jumped on by ex drug dealer and Griffins security man Jock Shearer.
He has removed a number of postings and told the forum that no one is to discuss what happened between Spence and Walker.
Once again free speech gone down the crapper within the party
"Why on the official BNP members forum has any mention of the Spence/Walker affair been stifled?"
Because it might prejudice his chance of receiving a fair hearing.
"Once again free speech gone down the crapper within the party"
Andrew Spence was well within his right. How the hell can anyone fight a by-election when the lazy cockroach Collett can't even be bothered to do the leaflets on time? Talking about leaflets, can anyone remember the 100,000 odd leaflets that never got delivered during the last Euro's because the lazy sod Hannam couldn't be arsed to get them to the sorting office?
The smooth inner workings of the bankrupt BNP...
"Because it might prejudice his chance of receiving a fair hearing."
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
What fair hearing?
The BNP give no one a fair hearing and he should just walk away with dignity intact and join a decent group.
West Mids said...
"Why on the official BNP members forum has any mention of the Spence/Walker affair been stifled?"
Because it might prejudice his chance of receiving a fair hearing.
11:04 PM
Er West Mids, that's a joke right?
You can not be SERIOUS!
I have been a keen supporter of the BNP for a while now, and I have always thought higly of NGs abilities. But first there were the Edwards. Then Sharon Ebanks left (if you're reading - I loved the way you put those BBC reporters in their place in Leeds). Then it was Bowden, and that really concerned me, because so many of the reports pointed to NG having a mob of thugs around him like C.U.N.T. Bowden is the kind of person the nationalist movement needs to get rid of the baggage of the past and actually have a good image among voters; he should not have been allowed to go so easily. Now it's Spence, and that is the final straw for me. If you guys are reading this, PLEASE get together and give us a real, decent party (Sharon - I'll have to check your party out). I guess Barnbrook will be next. Why let these people go and keep misfits and scum like Collett? Does he not care about the country and winning an election?
Sharon - Bowden sent shockwaves. Spence has the potential like a spark added to dynamite to blow the party apart. That dynamite is the party records, and the timing is when they are finally submitted. The BNP is just an obstacle now, stiffling the chances of a real movement rising up. Two days ago I was still a loyal follower of NG, but there is no way I can continue to see good people chewed up and spat out.
EnglishLiberty said...
I have been a keen supporter of the BNP for a while now, and I have always thought higly of NGs abilities. But first there were the Edwards. Then Sharon Ebanks left (if you're reading - I loved the way you put those BBC reporters in their place in Leeds). Then it was Bowden, and that really concerned me, because so many of the reports pointed to NG having a mob of thugs around him like C.U.N.T. Bowden is the kind of person the nationalist movement needs to get rid of the baggage of the past and actually have a good image among voters; he should not have been allowed to go so easily. Now it's Spence, and that is the final straw for me. If you guys are reading this, PLEASE get together and give us a real, decent party (Sharon - I'll have to check your party out). I guess Barnbrook will be next. Why let these people go and keep misfits and scum like Collett? Does he not care about the country and winning an election?
11:46 PM
I think you have answered your question of
"Does he not care about the country and winning an election?"
Simple answer: No
Although I am sure a seat as an MEP would suit very nicely thank you.
I would also ask why the accounts are so overdue.
Why are there no major plans in place for a possible early General Election?
It could never be too early to get that underway.
"first there were the Edwards. Then Sharon Ebanks left
Then it was Bowden, Now it's Spence, and that is the final straw for me."
Lets also not forget people like Joe Owens,Ian Edward,Peter Shaw,John Tyndall,Steve Smith,Simon Bennett,Angie Clarke.
The list is endless,any more?
what happened to Angie Clarke? I just heard she resigned. And have efforts been made by these people to form a new nationalist coalition?
"What happened to Angie Clarke? I just heard she resigned. And have efforts been made by these people to form a new nationalist coalition?"
Angie Clarke was a casualty of the fallout between Nick Griffin and her partner, the BNP's former head of security Warren Bennett.
Earlier posts have demonstrated one of the problems in getting everyone together into a new nationalist coalition.
Griffin's blatant cronyism has alienated a very wide range of nationalists who don't form an obvious 'faction'. Some are former Griffinites, some former Tyndallites. Some disagree with the ideological slant of the BNP leadership, some with its criminality, some with both.
If there is to be realistic opposition to Griffin - whether within the BNP or outside it - people will need to recognise that any successful nationalist party will need to represent a broad front comprising "modernising" and "traditional" nationalists.
It will also involve burying a number of personal feuds.
Otherwise many will stick with Griffin, on the basis that he is running the most substantial party, until they can no longer hold their noses to keep out the stench of corruption.
Then too many of these dissidents will just disappear from politics.
The next few months may determine whether a serious anti-Griffin front can be formed.
I have made this comment before on Britain Forward's comments section, but it needs to ne repeated.
Sharon Ebanks keeps on making threatening noises about exposing Griffin.
The trouble is we see no EVIDENCE.
I am not saying the evidence does not exist, just that nobody can or does produce any.
What Sharon Ebanks and others need to do is ask a professional investigator - a serving or ex police officer/ lawyer etc - to interview them all.
There may be no single piece of evidence that shows up Griffin. In fact there most probably is not. But there will be a series of little pieces that combine to show the true picture.
Evidence comes in many forms. Not just documents, but witness statements. Each document or witness on its own may be nothing, but when put together, they may be something.
Also, circumstances.
In financial investigations especially, circumstances are very revealing.
In a crime of violence - say murder or robbery - emotions run out of control and those involved may not act rationally. So to say that the suspect's excuse was not rational is not necessarily evidence that it is not true.
But in financial crimes, like fraud, especially when it occurs over a long period of time, the suspect has acted rationally because he has had time to think long and hard about every thing he does.
So, if there was a situation where 2 courses of action presented themselves and the suspect decided to do something that would not benefit him as an honest man, but would benefit him as dishonest, THAT is very powerful evidence.
How to get it?
Painstaking effort by somebody who knows how and who is not emotionally committed to a particular outcome - ie the destruction of Griffin.
Sharon Ebanks is described as a former top fund raiser for Griffin.
Although she may have a lot of information, she still needs to cause a professional investigation, as there will be many extra leads in that information of which she is probably unaware.
Each line of enquiry needs following up. You never know where it leads and what it will uncover.
The very fact that such an investigation was being conducted will induce some witnesses to keep silent, but will also induce others to speak up.
It will also be a very good negotiating tool with Griffin. He will not know what if anything has been discovered. Knowledge of what he has done and fear of discovery will eat away at his self confidence.
So, come on Sharon.
Get your friends together, find a suitable investigator and set to work.
If...we can destroy, not Griffin or any other individual, but the very notion that the BNP is something other than a political party (ie the personal hobby horse and sounding board of JT, or the pension fund of the leader) then a great service will have been done.
Thanks you for this blog Pete. A very useful balance to that lowlife cretin Tommy Williams’s C.U.N.T. blog.
John in Basel
I have no idea.
Maybe people like Sharon Ebanks have some thoughts on the idea.
I think it needs to be in a form of a loose coalition.
It would need to avoid goons like Eddie Morrison as that would be a recipe for disaster.
However there is a large amount of quality people out there and if they can avoid the traps set by the BNP spoilers,I am sure they could operate very effectively.
The situation at the minute is unbearable.
Many,many good people are being led down the garden path by Griffin and his money making team.
All people have to do is look at the recent leadership challenge to see just how Griffin operates.
Cult of personality mixed with get rich quick schemes.
ficfk"Lets also not forget people like Joe Owens,Ian Edward,Peter Shaw,John Tyndall,Steve Smith,Simon Bennett,Angie Clarke.
The list is endless,any more?"
Ian Christie who stood up to the disgraceful behaviour of Collett, David Michael who quickly discovered Hannam was a thief.
The BNP is a joke and the greatest pity is there are two particular individuals at the top who are excellent and decent individuals but rumour has it they're about to be chopped.
Martin Wingfield WHO DARES to write and edit the Voice of Freedom DEMANDED Bowden be flung out for signing the challenge against Griffin. What happened to that Voice of Freedom? Feckin hypocrites there is no FREE SPEECH in the BNP. It reminds me of those bible belt groups in America that creams every last ounce of energy and pennies a person may have.
THE BNP IS A MONEY MAKING CULT, NOT A POLITICAL PARTY.
If you don't sleep breath and eat BNP you're out.
"EnglishLiberty said...
what happened to Angie Clarke? I just heard she resigned. And have efforts been made by these people to form a new nationalist coalition?"
Angie Clarke like the other inexperienced people who get elected was left to flounder and find her own feet and if the UAF are looking in I'd like you to remember that when you slag these people off. They haven't walked the corrupt coridoors of power they're learning as they go along.
If you want to attack assholes go after the bastards at BNP HQ and here's a snip for you.
The BNP asks each elected councillor to give money from their allowance to the BNP. They are breaking the law everytime they request this funding from the public purse.
The BNP in the last Euro wanted candidates to sign a contract giving 50% of their allowance to the party. AGAIN THIS IS AGAINST THE LAW and abuse of the public purse.
I'm waiting for the accounts to be filed and I hope ALL decent people will join me in contacting the accountants/Auditors to make serious complaints under two areas which will be revealed when those accounts are published.
If Chris Jackson is looking in, you should call an emergency meeting and demand to SEE ALL the receipts. At an AC meeting last year John Walker was asked how much money the BNP had, he THE TREASURER had to ask Griffin! Griffin controls the BNP no one else and it's time people woke up.
@ Old halifax;
how come mr shearer is on the BNP members board ?
he is not a card carrying BNP member himself.
Shearer is part of the BNP security team
Anonymous said:
"The BNP asks each elected councillor to give money from their allowance to the BNP. They are breaking the law everytime they request this funding from the public purse.
The BNP in the last Euro wanted candidates to sign a contract giving 50% of their allowance to the party. AGAIN THIS IS AGAINST THE LAW and abuse of the public purse."
So, where is the EVIDENCE of this?
If this allegation is true, Angie Clarke, as a councillor, should have received such a request.
She, along with all other councillors should be interviewed and asked to sign affidavits (sworn statements) on what they say.
Why is this not being done?
All that happens is that people make allegations on the internet. Not good enough is it?
"Griffin's blatant cronyism has alienated a very wide range of nationalists who don't form an obvious 'faction'. Some are former Griffinites, some former Tyndallites. Some disagree with the ideological slant of the BNP leadership, some with its criminality, some with both."
It's got to be a coalition of former 'griffinites'. Tyndall might have been right at the time, but his policies will never win - people will never think it is fair to forcibly repatriate people who were invited here and have made their homes here. Let's follow the NG line and just forcibly return the Muslims, and pay everyone else. We have got to win the country back, and between the old guard and the new mob, nationalism is being destroyed. We need a national conference of all nationalists to see about forging ahead with a new party - inviting Ebanks, Bowden, Nicholas of the English Independence Party, Spence, perhaps some ex-UKIPers like David Noakes. The country has to be saved before it is too late, and we cannot afford the bad image of the old right, irrespective of whether they were right or wrong.
English Liberty said:
"It's got to be a coalition of former 'griffinites'. Tyndall might have been right at the time, but his policies will never win - people will never think it is fair to forcibly repatriate people who were invited here and have made their homes here. Let's follow the NG line and just forcibly return the Muslims, and pay everyone else. We have got to win the country back, and between the old guard and the new mob, nationalism is being destroyed. We need a national conference of all nationalists to see about forging ahead with a new party - inviting Ebanks, Bowden, Nicholas of the English Independence Party, Spence, perhaps some ex-UKIPers like David Noakes. The country has to be saved before it is too late, and we cannot afford the bad image of the old right, irrespective of whether they were right or wrong."
So you propose to resolve the problem of nationalist disunity by forming yet another splinter group, this time comprising a coalition of all those who have excluded themselves from nationalism, or who have been excluded as a result of their hostile activities?
Sounds like a recipe for even more strife to me.
"All that happens is that people make allegations on the internet. Not good enough is it?"
Why don't you speak to the members at the Coventry meeting several weeks before the Euro's and ask them what Darby was holding in his hand and what he said.
Sadly I didn't spend my time with camera and dictaphone in my hand. If I had...
"Sharon Ebanks keeps on making threatening noises about exposing Griffin.
The trouble is we see no EVIDENCE."
What evidence would you like?
I see the Tyneside Twat is blowing his horn over on Stormfront.
"I'm a front-line nationalist activist who's actually done something to make difference"
Do you have any idea how many people in your region think you're a mouthy arsehole, Kevin?
Have you declared that £20,000 you pretended didn't exist to the taxman yet?
Advice from me, don't give to Civil Liberty and I'll show you why tomorrow.
Kind regards
Sharon Ebanks
"So you propose to resolve the problem of nationalist disunity by forming yet another splinter group, this time comprising a coalition of all those who have excluded themselves from nationalism, or who have been excluded as a result of their hostile activities?
Sounds like a recipe for even more strife to me."
It is for this very reason that I would still continue to support NG and the BNP, if I thought they were electable. However, they cannot retain good people, and the reputation and image of the inner circle will continue to cause fractures and splits, and continue to make them unelectable in the eyes of people whose votes we desperately need. I think the writing is on the wall for the BNP, but it could take years and plunge the whole nationalist movement with it. I propose a serious challenge to the BNP. If it doesn't work, we need to make sure we are never in a position to stop them reaching power if they can do it. A BNP government under Griffin is far preferable to what any other party would offer. But I just doubt we can achieve that, and I think the more likely scenario is that the image and corruption of the BNP would stop us from ever getting a nationalist party in power.
The changing of party policy is just a façade to try and rid ourselves of a bad image, and become media friendly. This bad image of racism is only a stick the media use to beat us with. Therefore we set out new policies which in my mind only compliment the media. We have to remember that the media have long since been recognised for not reflecting the views of the population.
When we change polices within the party (and I don’t remember being asked) you invite people into the party who don’t represent the core beliefs of its original members. This is I believe when factions occur. But you have to remember that NG only changed these polices to become more media friendly. I don’t believe his core beliefs have changed at all. But by changing our image and thus becoming more appealing to every Tom, Dick and Harry, this in time changes our ideology. The more we soften our image, the more we change, until eventually we are unrecognisable as a Political party with Nationalistic ideologies. We might as well be the Conservative Party.
If we had a set of principles, which upon joining the party you understood, believed in and adhered too, the BNP would become a real Nationalistic Movement. A Nationalistic Movement where all its members are destined to follow the same path.
Everyone should stop these appeals for factions and splits, Nationalism has seen too many of those.
I think the only think NG is guilty of is persistently surrounding himself with dubious characters, narcissistic personalities, thieves and down right loonies. If he doesn’t rid himself of these people and learn better judgment they will bring him down. And then we will see if one man is bigger than the party.
regards shieldmaiden
An excellent post Shieldmaiden :-)
there appears to me to be little difference between the old and new policies. officially the got rid of forced repatriation, but if you consider all of the little details, it amounts to the same thing. Look at Lee Barne's blog this month - he is talking about taking away everyone's passports, and only renewing the one's of ethnics who have behaved themselves and been loyal, and even then they would live as guests. But I think an official softer tone is imperative if we are ever going to win power - then let nationalists fight over the details once we have it (I personally believe we should allow a small number to live on our shores, since they were invited here, but the more important thing right now is whether we'll be able to get rid of any - and we do need a new party to achieve that).
We won’t see a Nationalist Government in our time. You must be deluded to believe otherwise. Our children will most definitely bare the brunt of our past mistakes. There will be no Government under Griffin. His ashes as well as ours scattered long before.
Because we have softened our image, we are now indistinguishable between the other main stream party’s. Where do you think we will be in fifty years time? We may need the media to further out cause but in doing so we become unelectable because we are not radical enough for the electorate. I have already mentioned that the media do not represent the views of the population. Why would they vote for us when they can vote for the main stream party’s whom on pre election, promise to clamp down on immigration? Thatcher did it. We are not offering them any alternative. We can argue about NG’s integrity all we want. He and people like him will come and go ten fold before Britons are ready for a Nationalist Government. And we will only have one of them when the whole of Europe rise up and revolt and we follow suit.
I don't know what planet you are on if you think there is any resemblance between the policies of the BNP (even under the corrupt present leadership), and the main parties. What exactly do you have in mind? What other parties out there would repatriate all Muslims, criminals, and illegals, and revoke all citizenship and re-issue to only those of non-British descent who have paid their way and been loyal? What more would you want? Do you really think in this day and age we could achieve much more than that? Do you want Britain cut off from the rest of the world, and possibly bombed by NATO? We'll be lucky if we can deport the Pakistanis alone with the agreement of their government. We have to offer money and incentives. And YES, I most people in the country are sick of what is happening, and I could see a nationalist government forming within as little as ten years, easily, under the correct leadership. I think you have been listening to the woe betiders in the NF or somewhere too much. Just because their day is over doesn't mean that a new movement - clear of the baggage of the past - couldn't achieve RIGHT NOW double the result of the BNP. Under our system a party can win power with 35 percent of the vote.
Let's not forget that the voluntary repatriation policy was adopted while John Tyndall was leader. (As it happens I was at the organisers conference in question, since CJ was indisposed!)
Traditional nationalists should pause and reflect that in practice many non-whites (whether illegal or otherwise) would be likely to make their own way to new pastures as a nationalist party approached power.
The real problem I have with current BNP policy is its emphasis on Islam, which I find dangerously short-sighted as well as wrong in principle.
If we are to move towards a new alignment in British nationalism, this is one issue that will need to be discussed - but I'm sure it can be debated in a civilised fashion, without the name calling, proscriptions, resignations and punch-ups that have come to typify the BNP.
English Liberty is wrong in saying that the changes in BNP policy are only cosmetic. The parties Nick Griffin models the BNP on have already been in government in Italy and Austria. Not only did they not make things better, they were unable (or did not even try) to prevent things becoming worse.
A nationalist party is not just a vehicle to obtain the rewards of office, but also an instrument to change the mindset of its members and, eventually, the whole nation. The BNP does not even try to get its members to think critically about the information they receive from the wider society.
"The real problem I have with current BNP policy is its emphasis on Islam, which I find dangerously short-sighted as well as wrong in principle."
Pete, I would be interested in knowing your reasons for thinking that way. I think it is one of the strongest selling points of nationalism.
Islam per se is not the problem.
Domestically the problem is that we have had half a century of mass immigration, so IMHO we have to start from the position of recognising that the multiracial society has not and will not work.
Once voters accept that, we then have to propose realistic ways of dealing with the problem. That's why it was sensible to introduce the voluntary repatriation policy. An election manifesto has to present a realistic way of beginning to deal with this critical issue of our times.
A war on Islam certainly is not realistic. It distracts from the main issue by implying that the only problem is immigrants whose religion prevents them from "integrating" into a multiracial society - when in fact the type of "integration" accomplished by, for example, non-Muslim West Indian immigrants is the very last thing that we want, as it means the "disintegration" of white society!
The impact on foreign policy is even more dangerous. No British nationalist party should ever countenance the neocon "clash of civilisations" theory. It is truly appalling to see the number of BNP sympathisers' blogs which link to neocon anti-Muslim articles and sites, whose authors are at least as anti-BNP as they are anti-Muslim.
Why cannot a modern nationalism simply recognise that nation states are best constructed on ethnically homogenous lines.
Freedom of religion within an ethnically homogenous state should not be a problem - nor should it be a problem to negotiate with other states to our mutual advantage - regardless of the religious makeup of those states.
The British Empire frequently had advantageous relations with Muslim states. There's no reason why a future nationalist-controlled Britain should not do likewise.
"I think the only think NG is guilty of is persistently surrounding himself with dubious characters, narcissistic personalities, thieves and down right loonies."
You just described Griffin above. Griffin controls EVERYTHING.
He is the thief and loony you speak of. Don't make the mistake that too many others have made. Get rid of Griffin.
" I think it is one of the strongest selling points of nationalism."
I disagree.
It is the medias strongest selling point for whipping hatred and hysteria against a religion that the media owners dislike. The BNP attempts to capitalise on the media.
If the media barons weren't Jewish you'd never hear a peep about Islam in the press.
Scott Mclean is one of the most decent people within the party and I can say that even though he wrote out my disciplinary notice.
If he leaves many decent people will follow and I don’t blame them at all. Griffin won’t get rid of Collett because Collett has been very very close to Griffin and one ex BNP member has the evidence of how close Collett has been to Griffin’s wife.
Kind regards
Sharon Ebanks
I agree with Griffin on Islam - that's what people are concerned about. You try telling them the Jews control everything and kiss goodbye to ever winning power.
"I agree with Griffin on Islam - that's what people are concerned about. You try telling them the Jews control everything and kiss goodbye to ever winning power."
If you put it in such crude terms then you would fail, of course.
But tell them that Britain was drawn into a war that didn't concern us, on the basis of lies, and most voters will agree.
They will also agree that the multiracial society hasn't worked.
They might also agree that a small group of wealthy individuals has had an unhealthy influence on British politics, and that the media has similarly had an unhealthy influence.
You don't have to go down the Melanie Phillips route of obsession with Islam.
And as for simply following what people are concerned about - or what the media has told them to be concerned about - that would leave us drifting as ideologically rootless populists. Look what happened to Pauline Hanson's One Nation party in Australia!
Okay, I didn't notice this reply. Comments below:
"A war on Islam certainly is not realistic. It distracts from the main issue by implying that the only problem is immigrants whose religion prevents them from "integrating" into a multiracial society"
I agree that it is often portrayed in a 'integrate or leave' manner, and that we wish to preserve who we are, not become integrated with foreign people. At the same time, I don't think average Joe views it like that. The extent of alot of people's thinking is 'Islam a problem, we need to vote BNP'.
"when in fact the type of "integration" accomplished by, for example, non-Muslim West Indian immigrants is the very last thing that we want, as it means the "disintegration" of white society!"
I couldn't agree more.
"The impact on foreign policy is even more dangerous. No British nationalist party should ever countenance the neocon "clash of civilisations" theory."
Totally agree, though the BNP have been careful not to do this, and have been very opposed to the Iraq war and the American government. They just don't come out and say 'the Zionist Lobby in America is behind everything' because it is not necessary to, and would not help us, since only leftists at the Guardian seem allowed to suggest such a posibility.
"It is truly appalling to see the number of BNP sympathisers' blogs which link to neocon anti-Muslim articles and sites, whose authors are at least as anti-BNP as they are anti-Muslim."
Again, if it suits the nationalist cause, we have to gather in the votes of such people. That is why until now I supported Griffin - we need someone who knows what is going on in control of things. My problem is that he surrounds himself with questionable people and lets real talented people slip through the holes.
"Why cannot a modern nationalism simply recognise that nation states are best constructed on ethnically homogenous lines."
Lee Barnes had a great article on roots and community in his blog; but somehow I don't think the country will wake up and breathe the air of liberty and community until after a nationalist government is formed. Islam is a major threat to our way of life, and if no other party is making use of that, then I believe we need to.
"Freedom of religion within an ethnically homogenous state should not be a problem - nor should it be a problem to negotiate with other states to our mutual advantage - regardless of the religious makeup of those states."
I agree. No doubt the neo-con game is all about colonising the ME and destroying Islamic culture in preparation for the Brave New World they would thrust on us. But from a domestic perspective Muslims may well be stupid and impatient enough to give us our chance of winning back our country. And again, NG has said the same.
"Islam is a major threat to our way of life, and if no other party is making use of that, then I believe we need to."
Islam is not a threat to our way of life, globalisation is.
The Fortune 500 and their government puppets are the real killers.
Kind regards
Sharon Ebanks
I was at a BNP meeting last month and a lady said: "I read an article by Melanie Phillips and she said everything the BNP says. I don't know why she doesn't join the party, but instead she slags us off."
I agree that ranting about the Jews will get us nowhere, but leaving our members (and the British people) trapped in ignorance cannot be right either.
Islam is a threat, because the number and influence of moslems in Britain will continue to grow. The present terrorist threat, however, is probably a temporary problem - a response among a minority of moslems to the Iraq war. This threat is exagerated by disparate interests in order to generate fear and panic in our people. The real nightmare is Israel or the US nuking Tehran.
The BNP approach is tactically and morally wrong. Firstly, if we say they hate us because they follow a "wicked religion" and not because we bomb and invade their countries and support the tyrants who oppress them, we let the the government off the hook. Labour will be quite happy to fight an election against opponents who absolve it of blame for the mess we find ourselves in and the consequences of any future adventures.
Secondly, we can be sure that any repressive laws introduced to deal with this threat will be turned against ourselves sooner rather than later.
Let us criticise Islam vigorously, but, when drawing attention to conflicts between immigrant invaders and the native population, use the traditional nationalist argument that it is an inevitable consequence of different races and cultures being forced to live side by side. It has the advantage of being the truth.
"Pete, I would be interested in knowing your reasons for thinking that way. I think it is one of the strongest selling points of nationalism."
I think you've just answered your own question!
The BNP approach to Islam is what many of you are saying it should be, in my opinion. It is fair-handed, acknowledges the role of the present government in attacking their countries, AND doesn't deny that we would still have alot of activity going on even we weren't there. They have wanted to take over the country for decades. Of course the ones responsibility are the ones who brought them over, but to suggest that Islam is not a threat is very optimistic, in my opinion. It may be that even the establishment have bit off more than they can chew on this one. And of course it justifies big-brother government.
Dear All,
I can't get my copy and paste to work today, but there is an important post by "Anonymous" above who suggests getting all the people who may have evidence on alleged internal corruption (although it may be disassociated) to all get together and get themselves interviewed by someone professional who understands law.
Also a post on certain alleged illegal things that Councillors etc. may have been asked to do that could be part of the evidence.
I think this is what has to happen.
If the alleged corruption in the heart of the party can be proved and charges brought then there is a chance we can win the party back for ALL nationalists (and then people in NPP, EFP, Freedom Party etc. can all join forces with us again).
(Of course, if the charges are brought and nothing happens we then know that things are "State").
Now, being a "newby" and not having been anywhere near the heart of the party I know it's all very well for me to talk! I cannot help in the way mentioned above and if the alleged corruption is anywhere near as bad as that suggested by Martin Webster's E-mails then I regognise that people might require a great deal of courage to come forward, but I don't see any other way.
Otherwise we have to splinter off into small parties and independent patriots/nationalists whilst the BNP continues to soak up votes and new members, diverting more patriots into a dead-end.
We need to try and win our party back as it's been stolen from the true patriots.
If a professional policeman was involved I don't see that it should even cost anything, or at least not very much.
Just a thought.
Anon.
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