GRIFFIN LOSES HIS 4YRS
News coming in from members is, any challenger must secure 5% of the entire memberships support to trigger a challenge.
Griffin has secured a severance package. We'll elaborate on those details soon.
The following are numbered mini reports from our many NWN posters;
1, Griffin was defeated 60/40 and at one point was seen consulting his father, Edgar Griffin.
2, He was verbally opposed by, Barnbrook, Butler, Collett, Walker, Jackson, Tyndall, Beverly, Edmunds, and Kemp.
3, Colgate who was tabled to speak, left her membership card at home, and was told by Griffin that she couldn't speak, and couldn't vote. Hannam also left his card at home.
4, The NPD were at RWB with there own stall, they were selling portraits of Hess, and declared themselves as "left wing nazis". I was shocked that Griffin allowed them there, I won't be attending RWB again.
Griffin has secured a severance package. We'll elaborate on those details soon.
The following are numbered mini reports from our many NWN posters;
1, Griffin was defeated 60/40 and at one point was seen consulting his father, Edgar Griffin.
2, He was verbally opposed by, Barnbrook, Butler, Collett, Walker, Jackson, Tyndall, Beverly, Edmunds, and Kemp.
3, Colgate who was tabled to speak, left her membership card at home, and was told by Griffin that she couldn't speak, and couldn't vote. Hannam also left his card at home.
4, The NPD were at RWB with there own stall, they were selling portraits of Hess, and declared themselves as "left wing nazis". I was shocked that Griffin allowed them there, I won't be attending RWB again.
5, It was interesting to see Griffin defeated for the first time since he took power in 1999. The members showed he was not above the party, and wasn't the party, but simply one of its officers, and that is just as it should be.
6, NWN was being blamed by Darby and Griffin for alerting the members and keeping them informed. Kemp even mentioned it on stage as "Not allowing the Internet to influence BNP members". Good work NWN
7, Martin Wingfield didn't vote, he left early.
8, It was Arthur Kemp who suggested the 5% of membership, proving the whole thing was fixed by Griffin.
9, Griffins greed in going for 4yrs means the following
1, The advisory council can whenever they wish impeach the Chairman for misconduct with 2/3rds in favour
2, At every AGM 20 voting members can demand a leadership challenge
3, The 5% ammendment thrashed out between Edmunds and Griffin could quite easily be reached when you consider that very few last 2YRS in the BNP
Keep your mini reports coming, we're not asking for thousands of words, just a brief outline of what caught your eye.
69 comments:
How would anyone know how many is 5%? Or know they were members?
No more leadership challenges. Now people can concentrate on the real business of making Griffin money.
Very true, anon.
Challengers are refused the membership list, how would they know what 5% is?
Seems he has won everything - dont be fooled by the 4 year demand, if he is booted out in 2009 leadership contest he still gets his £30,000 pay off, what a weasel he is.
Griffin will tell you when you reach the 5% of course. Curiously the membership will expand as fast as you get signatures.
It's a farce. Why do people go on with it?
I hear Chris Hill (Lancaster) was escorted off the site by the police. His name was on a banned list. He was banned for bad behaviour last year at RWB.......
However he was not at the RWB last year.
That's crazy, under such circumstances it would be impossible to challenge the leader - Who could vote for that?
Time to wake up.
The cards are stacked...
Yes he was you liar, he has been to every RWB since 2001
"baz said...
That's crazy, under such circumstances it would be impossible to challenge the leader - Who could vote for that?
17 August 2008 20:20"
The ill educated, and desperate, that's who. Griffin knows his audience well, thing is, the audience don't have a clue what Griffin, is...They'll find out, but it will be to late.
We need to drag ourselves out of the public arena of the Internet, and form a viable party that takes no prisoners. If we want to be political, then politics it is, or, we could all waste our lives thinking we can teach people an ideology that is alien to them. Our time is running out
The Freedom Party tried and (sadly) failed to be an alternative.
IF a new party was to be formed, what could be done that they never did?
"If we want to be political, then politics it is, or, we could all waste our lives thinking we can teach people an ideology that is alien to them. Our time is running out
17 August 2008 21:12"
Bravo!
We only have to look at the history of the Labour party to know we must appeal to the mass public, and the BNP is failing miserably. 20 years after formation the Labour Party were in number 10. 25 years after the BNP's formation they have a handful of councillors. We can learn from the BNP's mistakes.
A power vacuum will open up in this country as the credit crunch hits, we must fill that vacuum whilst the currently installed democracy fails.
Don't look to Griffin, he cannot be depended upon, he's a ruthless money maker, and parasite on the downtrodden.
"The Freedom Party tried and (sadly) failed to be an alternative.
IF a new party was to be formed, what could be done that they never did?
17 August 2008 21:17"
We should contact all the small groups and parties, and merge into one big community party. The power is in the communities, and the people who live in them.
I don't believe the Freedom Party did fail as such. It was an earlier pointer to what was wrong with the BNP. As such it helped other people gradually wake up
This is a time for local initiatives.
We do need the internet. Members of all political parties are very ignorant of how the world works - and of course this very true of not only BNP card carriers, but many of their best activists.
Quality is needed. Well politically educated individuals who can also roll their sleeves up.
Bearing in mind the Establishment's obvious ability to mobilise its various "front " groups against large groupings of Nationalists, I suggest that "guerrilla" politics needs to be considered as a means of resistance. Cellular tight local units that can coordinate with other well trusted local units elsewhere.
Membership by invitation....
Well...he assures me he wasn't there last year.
You know me, now identify yourself.
"Bearing in mind the Establishment's obvious ability to mobilise its various "front " groups against large groupings of Nationalists, I suggest that "guerrilla" politics needs to be considered as a means of resistance. Cellular tight local units that can coordinate with other well trusted local units elsewhere.
Membership by invitation....
17 August 2008 21:39 "
Cue for Dave Jones to start banging on about Leaderless resistence.
Do nothing - in other words.
"Bearing in mind the Establishment's obvious ability to mobilise its various "front " groups against large groupings of Nationalists"
I agree that we don't have the unions, but we don't need them. We need to publicise how the unions are failing British workers with every job that goes abroad, and every house that goes to a foreigner.
I've no need to "bang on" about it, I didn't raise it on this occasion.
But since you evidently don't like the idea, what do you suggest.
"he still gets his £30,000 pay off,"
That would effectively bankrupt the party.
Gri££in forgot what is true national patriotism, long before he became BNP leader, in fact while he was influential in the National Front, Gri££in (and other of his close NF cronies now skimming BNP funds/donations)was associated with financial irregularities pertaining to NF funds/donations - so no change there .... pun not intended but is appropriate to Gri££in, as he has run out of BNP members money - but not his own money he siphoned from BNP funds/donations and salted away with the aid of that corrupt gutter rat, Collet. Many BNP members have racked their brains trying to figure out why Gri££in refuses to have Identity and certain other BNP litrature and leaflets to be printed inhouse, and why Gri££in refuses to get rid of Collet, in spite of the overwhelming evidence proving Collet tried seducing two underage girls at the 2006 BNP annual conference at Blackpool. Gri$$in needs Collet because Gri££in recieves a rake-off from the BNP money Gri££in pays into Collet's private printing business, Vanguardf Enterprises, that's printing BNP litrature - last year BNP members kissed £191,000 that disappeared, via Vanguard Enterprises, into Collet's and Gri££in's pocket.
As for this year's RWB, Martin Renolds is acting true to form, when he crapped himself and started hyper-ventilating at the sight of a bunch of limp-wristed left-wing fairies and nancified faggots surrounded and being herded along by the Old Bill.
This is not the first time Reynolds has failed the BNP. Last time Gri££in gave a talk to the Norwich BNP group, he and Reynolds recieved reliable intel that the Reds had been tipped-off about the meeting, yet Gri££in was left unguarded when Reynolds slunked-off to give his standby emergency lay, Diane Smith, a severe rogering, away from the meeting, result, at least five BNP members had their cars damaged by the Reds. Just for interest, it was Diane Smith who gave herpes to Reynolds, who in turn passed it onto his unsuspecting wife, Lyndsey.
If the Reds ever get their hands on Gri££in, he has only himself to blame, but would be a good thing for English nationalism.
"BNP members kissed £191,000 that disappeared, via Vanguard Enterprises, into Collet's and Gri££in's pocket."
Our problem is PROOF. Many of us have seen it, heard it, but we don't have the material evidence to hang him. Short of kidnapping Collett, and putting a gun to his head, there is nothing we can do, but what I do know, is that in 2006 when Collett screamed he would talk on Griffin, it wasn't money he wanted to scream about, but Griffin and Lecombers collusion to kill government ministers. It was Griffin who sent Lecomber to Owens.
Some members may be wondering why they didn't see me at the EGM this afternoon, well don't worry I wasn't hurt in a car crash or anything like that. No the reason you didn't see me using my democratic right (as a member of 10 years standing) to oppose Griffin's constitutional amendments is quite simple: I was turned away at the gates.
On arriving at the RWB site, with about a dozen or so other VoC members, we were asked to show our membership cards by a member of the BNP security team. On reading the name on my card he asked me to stand to one side, because someone wanted to speak to me, while the rest of our group were allowed onto the site. After about 2 minutes Dave Shapcock turned up and said, to three of the security staff on the gate:: ' This man has a 5 year ban after he made trouble at the RWB last year, ask the police to remove him from the site and arrest him if he doesn't leave', whereupon security called a policeman over and asked him to remove me from the area. While this was going on I pointed out to Mr Shapcock the fact that I hadn't attended the RWB last year, only for him to responded 'well I meant two years ago then'. This is of course total nonsense, and although he had no authority, or right, to prevent any card carrying member attending the EGM, I was told by the police that if I even approached the gates again, I'd be arrested immediately without further question.
The last RWB I attended was in 2006, and the people who attended with me that year, including both Lancaster & Blackpool members, can confirm that not only didn't I start any trouble, I wasn't even remotely involved in any incident what so ever. In fact in 2006 the party reported the whole RWB event went off completely without any incidents what so ever. And ask yourself had I of caused any problems that year would I have been allowed to:
1. Stand as a BNP election candidate twice since.
2. Attend the Blackpool conference last year as a voting member.
3. Been given the extra responsibility of the Preston organiser's job.
all since the RWB in 2006, of course not!
This is total nonsense and should demonstrate to every member the total corruption of the Griffin/Collett gang and their cronies.
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Chris Hill
(Lancaster)
"This is total nonsense and should demonstrate to every member the total corruption of the Griffin/Collett gang and their cronies.
From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)
18 August 2008 00:29"
Chris, first thing on Tuesday morning you visit a solicitor and put Shapcott in court for lying about you, and denying you the right to vote. Whilst in court, I'm sure they'd be more than grateful to know that Mr Shapcott claims full disabillity benefits whilst recieving financial back handers from the party FOR WORK, and is so financially afloat as to be owed thousands by the party each month. That information can be found in the accounts tidbits published on this site.
BNP members who insist Britain is a lawful society, MUST BE ABOVE THE LAW at all times, otherwise you just look like a bunch of stinking hypocrites.
The whole EGM yesterday was a sham and staged managed, Chairman Kevin 'the stooge' Scott couldn't organise it and Eddy Butler had to keep getting up on stage to clarify each point and amendment. The whole thing was a smoke screen and many members were confused and baffled.Gr££in concocted the whole thing with his stooges, who either speaker for or against the motions in over acted tones. Several of his ex-secret policemen friends were up on stage (Kemp & Stewart) and Gri££in was seen leaving the marquee smiling, this bastard got what he really wanted, he is a master of deception! His next con is a Land Fund, it's target wait for it...... £750,000!
One obvious problem with the notion that "5% of the membership" would be required to trigger a leadership challenge:
- who defines what constitutes the BNP membership?
We already know that the membership figures claimed by the party in its annual reports are different from the figures that can be computed from the declared turnout in the 2007 leadership election.
We also know that many BNP members who have not renewed continue to receive bulletins and begging letters long after their membership should constitutionally have expired.
So who will audit the base figure of membership from which the 5% threshold must be calculated?
What is wrong in nviting the NPD & what is wrong with portraits of Hess? NOTHING
And what is wrong with the NPD & portraits of Hess? If anything them being showed Griffin's hypocrisy for what it is. He was probably getting a percentage of the profits from the NPD stall.
"And what is wrong with the NPD & portraits of Hess? If anything them being showed Griffin's hypocrisy for what it is. He was probably getting a percentage of the profits from the NPD stall.
18 August 2008 12:55"
Mr Stanton, you being a very close friend of Lecomber, and Lecomber being more than a close friend of Griffin, should know full well what was wrong with it. Nazism is anathema to the British voting public, and the BNP is supposed to be a political party in need of votes?
Nazi Germany has absolutely nothing to do with British politics, and unless you hadn't noticed, we won the war, and the British public are glad we won the war.
You sir, are a moron, as is Griffin, and why he needs to go.
You have one last chance of securing Britain for the British, and German history won't save Britain.
Re: Your comments on my comments concerning the NPD/Hess - it's a pity you didn't say the same to JT when he was running the BNP. As for Lecomber, I have not seen or heard from him in over two years
Rudolf Hess was a martyr for peace - if anyone's portrait deserves to be displayed on a German stall at a British nationalist event it is his.
After all a primary purpose of such a German presence at a British event is to demonstrate that nationalism does not mean antagonism between fellow Europeans. What better symbol of this than Rudolf Hess?
The NPD guests should have been welcomed and accorded due hospitality by all British nationalists at the RWB regardless of pro- or anti-Griffin factionalism.
According to many Germans the NPD has its own internal 'Griffin problem', with serious dissent over issues of ideology and financial probity. But that's another topic for another day...
"Gri££in was seen leaving the marquee smiling, this bastard got what he really wanted, he is a master of deception!"
Agreed, the whole thing was a setup and as Collett shoke hands with Chris Jackson the smirk on paedo-boys face was obviously well rehearsed. Griffin had done it well, youve got to that to him, well stage managed so he got everything he wanted. Raised the crossbar to make a leadership challenge almost impossible and securing a nice payoff. What a f-ing con-man.
"ES said...
Re: Your comments on my comments concerning the NPD/Hess - it's a pity you didn't say the same to JT when he was running the BNP. As for Lecomber, I have not seen or heard from him in over two years
18 August 2008 15:05"
Silly me, I thought Griffin won Tyndall in the challenge because of his connection to nazism(and that uniform photo)which was widely used by Lecomber to bring him down. Griffin promised financial transparency, and modernisation, and here in 2008 you still want to yap about Hess!
There is nothing wrong with friendship with other European countries, but Hitlers nazi party has zilch to do with 2008
"Raised the crossbar to make a leadership challenge almost impossible and securing a nice payoff. What a f-ing con-man.
18 August 2008 15:15"
What it does mean, is that anyone who challenges in the future will win Griffin, because they will be serious and prepared to put the groundwork in to defeat him.
"There is nothing wrong with friendship with other European countries, but Hitlers nazi party has zilch to do with 2008
18 August 2008 15:24"
Agreed, and things like that is why we don't get mass votes. If BNP members want to worship Hitlers Germany, they should move to Germany.
To get back to the substantive issue, let me tell you something - Griffin's critics have been done up like kippers.
He was grinning like a Cheshire cat after the EGM, and little wonder when you think about it for just a moment.
Not only has he come out of this looking like sweet reason itself, having confirmed his democratic credentials by being prepared to support an amendment to his proposals, but he has created conditions which make it all but impossible for anybody to challenge him for the leadership - not just after four years, but ever!
The BNP currently claims 10,000 members. That's 500 signatures folks. And let's just suppose for the minute that any potential challenger knows 500 people without having access to the lists. Can he/she be sure of their membership status? Or that, having achieved the impossible and collected 500 signatures, the membership will not suddenly have leapt to 15,000 in the meantime?
Failing a successful legal challenge, there is now no way that Griffin can be removed from the leadership of the BNP - fact!
Now, do we accept Griffin's indefinite leadership of the BNP or do we not? And if we do not, what are we to do about it?
The only options on the table now for those of us who don't accept that Griffin has a job for life are either to form another party immediately, or to make a legal challenge first.
If we don't do either, he has won. Simple as.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but that is how it is.
Over to you guys.
No one is talking about worshipping Nazi Germany, but it is futile to pretend that any European nationalist can simply ignore 20th century history. Our political crisis did not arise in a vacuum.
Yes, the nazi association damages the electoral appeal of British nationalism - though probably not so much now as it did thirty years ago. Modern voters are more likely to be concerned about an image of thuggery than the arcana of nazi ideology.
While 'Hollywood Nazism' should obviously be avoided, the public's anti-nazi conditioning will always present an obstacle to any form of racial nationalism and at some point has to be taken on.
There is no future in a racial nationalism which tries to ignore reality or square the circle by pretending that the 'victory' in the Second World War and its consequences served Britain's interest. Similarly it is self-defeating for a British nationalist party to align itself with Zionist imperialism as part of a supposed 'clash of civilisations' with Islam.
Anyone who is happy with the "two world wars and one world cup" variety of populist nationalism should just join a football hooligan firm and leave politics to the grown-ups.
"Not only has he come out of this looking like sweet reason itself, having confirmed his democratic credentials by being prepared to support an amendment to his proposals, but he has created conditions which make it all but impossible for anybody to challenge him for the leadership - not just after four years, but ever!"
Yep, a master piece performance by Kemp was able to convince most delegates this was a great compromise - the BNP is finished. I'm cutting up my membership card and sending the pieces to Griffin telling him he can stick his dictatorial regime up his vast backside.
"The BNP currently claims 10,000 members. That's 500 signatures folks. And let's just suppose for the minute that any potential challenger knows 500 people without having access to the lists. Can he/she be sure of their membership status? Or that, having achieved the impossible and collected 500 signatures, the membership will not suddenly have leapt to 15,000 in the meantime?"
Obviously I haven't yet seen the precise wording of the constitutional amendment.
But two initial points strike me from this:
1) the figure of 10,000 may not be an accurate audited figure (in other words it may include many members in arrears and lapsed members, who at the time the assessment was made would not have qualified to vote in an internal BNP election so should not be counted towards a base figure for calculating the 5%);
2) it would be a breach of natural justice to demand that a candidate gets his papers signed by 500 paid up members without giving such a challenger access to the membership lists so as to check the membership status of those signatories - in exactly the same sense as we have all been given electoral registers for the purpose of obtaining nominations in council and parliamentary elections.
I think Mr Griffin has got everything he wanted.
Does anybody realise just how impossible it will be to get 5% membership signatures? That's 500 signatures guessing a BNP membership (and I have no idea of BNP membership) of 10,000?
Or what the rules will be regarding this? Over what time period would it be allowed? Would very new members be allowed to sign (somehow I doubt it!)? Can signatories withdraw? What are the data protection rules regarding membership lists - or rather what will the leadership claim they are!!! (just for the record the BNP membership lists can be made freely available to anybody for the party political and administration purposes of the BNP - don't let them try to fool you otherwise).
Funny really. To stand in a local election requires a mere 12 signatures over a very small geographical area (often from the same road!). To stand in a General or European election requires even less!! Either over a local Westminister constituency or an EU regional area (but again these very few signatures can be gained from the same few streets!). OK maybe a cash deposit, lost if less than 5% vote for you, to deter the frivolous candidates? Why didn't the BNP think of that?
Yet to stand for the leadership of this minor party now requires 500 (?) or so signatures which will need to be obtained from over the whole of the country.
5% of members to sign a nomination form?? Absurdly cumbersome! It only needs one of those signatories to maliciously sign somebody else's form too and the whole nomination falls apart. I'm gobsmacked Mr Griffin has got away with this piece of chicanery - and still made people think he must have had some sort of defeat!!!
Face it. Nobody is ever going to get 500 signatures within the rules (whatever they might be!). It's plain daft.
So Mr Griffin is never, ever again going to have his leadership challanged. But he will have his £30,000 when he decides to go. What a stitch up! And BNP members voted for this??
I'm afraid this rather makes me lose faith in the BNP ever being generally electable - nomatter how brilliant some individual candidates. How can they be electable when the membership are so easily conned and their party constitution remains so authoritarian?
BTW - a Constitution is supposed to be an "enabling" document. Should this leadership election amendment prove impossible to implement (ie "disabling") I think a court challange could well succeed. Not that I would recommend that - I hate the thought of lawyers getting yet more of their sticky fingers on BNP members hard earned cash.
10,000 membership is nonsense. In the words of Victor Meldrew "I don't believe it !"
Even allowing that the membership is 5,000 as Chris Cooke has said, 250 signatures is impractical given the necessity of obtaining a current membership list to do it.
This is the point after which you have to say that all that are left in the BNP are morons,crooks and those without an internet connection.
Its not 5% of membership - its 5% of membership who have been members for over 24 months on 1st July that year and the amount of members will be given in advance. Thats what was voted on yeaterday! my god was I the only person still awake at that point.
Respectfully, whether the actual membership is 10,000 or 5,000 or whatever Griffin says it is this week is immaterial, as is whether it is 5% of the membership who are required to sign or 5% of the members with a "z" in their name and three testicles. The point is that Griffin has had us over, and the idiot turkeys have voted for Christmas tomorrow.
So is it a new party, or just moaning on this blog for the next ten years?
No disrespect to NWN, which provides an invaluable service, but we need to do something more than simply express our outrage and indignation.
EiE gave Griffin too long to fine tune his strategy. Let's hit him quickly - now - before he has time to consolidate his support after this outrageous stunt.
The stitch up is complete.
You are talking about a party that is quasi-Zionist (the "Most Zionist" according to the Board of Deputies), yet is happy to get a % of the NPD stall selling Hess posters.
Wake up people!
This is a money-making scam!
And most of you, most of us over the years, have been scammed!
Time to move on...
What would happen to someone wanting to mount a leadership challenge would they be allowed to go around the country to hold meeting as in an attempt to get the 5% of votes needed, or would they be expelled the first whiff of a challenge that griffin gets.
Griffin has done the BNP up like a Kipper, and he is now officially living off of the hard work and money of nationalists.
Don’t renew your membership of donate money until he pisses off. and piss off he will when he realises that their is no longer any money to be made.
You see real nationalists work and stick around without the need for favour or profit, Griffin is not a real nationalist so he won’t. Take the teat out of his mouth and watch him slither off to find a new rock to crawl under.
Or do what you are doing now, donate money, pay your membership dues and keep this little destroyer of our party in power.
Hail Griffin, Hail Griffin, for he is our leader. Lemmings or nationalists you decide.
"I'm gobsmacked Mr Griffin has got away with this piece of chicanery - and still made people think he must have had some sort of defeat!!!"
Too niave Cllr Chris, like so many others including myself once upon a time. He stage managed the whole EGM brilliantly and he got exactly what he wanted and more. He is a slick operator and those chosen few around him know exactly how to pitch the message to the audience. Collett and Kemp did a first class job at getting the audience to look into their eyes, not around the eyes but into their eyes. So instead of a leadership challenge once every 4 years the party can look forward to a contest, well - never - until the day Gri$$in decides to retire. Only members with 2 years continuous membership can sign the nomination papers. If anyone thinks that the HQ will release confidential membership details which are both accurate and up to date to a would be challenger think again. They will supply a dummy set of records and then protest when the 200 or so names are submitted because a handful are (deliberatley) false. It's over the BNP is finished. Time to start afresh.
Let Gri$$in have the BNP as his pet plaything and watch it dwindle away into nothing. His dream pay off is only as good as the number of members who join and donate.
only 250 + members in the tent to vote ,griffins stooges wer out numbered ,but griffin had got a compromise idea sown up his sleeve to give him a breathing space.
HE is on the way down but he will grab £30.000 to cushion the blow i believe griffin will have to be hauled into court to break his grip of the party and his grubby little constitution hauled in with him.
keith axon
Who are you who keep prattling on about forming a new party ,you must be mad IT took 20 years to build a movement to be at the right place and the right time.TO GET COUNCILORS ELECTED and it's the only horse in town that can WIN ANY ELECTION so get real.
If its Another party that you want the NATIONAL FRONT EXISTS WHICH IS A DEMOCRATIC PARTY .IF YOU WANT A NOTHER PARTY JOIN IT AT LEAST IT HAS CONSTITUTION AND POLICY'S I GUESS THAT YOU AGREE WITH, AND A HOUSEHOLD NAME.
Now don't prattle on about the name being tainted because any nationalist party name will be besmirched by the press that is a an electable force that can threaten the CON/LAB/LIB CON CLUB.
I think you are a RED.
keith axon.
David Lucas said the sale of gallows was not "sick"
A farmer who builds gallows and has sold them to African countries with poor human rights records has been condemned by Amnesty
David Lucas said the sale of gallows was not "sick"
How come Mr.Edgar Griffin was allowed into the meeting and to discuss with Griffin Junior issues about the EGM ?
"Anyone who is happy with the "two world wars and one world cup" variety of populist nationalism should just join a football hooligan firm and leave politics to the grown-ups.
18 August 2008 16:24"
You've just KO'd your voters with one punch, and you claim to be political. Ignoring Adolf Hitler doesn't make anyone a football hooligan, it makes them a darn sight more intelligent than you are. After 60 years of your brand of politics which has the mass British public recoil in horror, we'll just continue with it, shall we?
Now, if you're interested in reality, the British people want healthcare, jobs, education, pensions, and peace, but as the past 60 years has shown, you are incapable of giving it to them because you'd rather praise Adolf Fucking Hitler.
"How come Mr.Edgar Griffin was allowed into the meeting and to discuss with Griffin Junior issues about the EGM ?
18 August 2008 21:43"
How come Edgar and Nick are the real treasurers of the party?
All questions that need answering, but they won't answer them.
"HE is on the way down but he will grab £30.000 to cushion the blow"
And the rest. He'll bankrupt it before anyone else gets it.
Can someone demand to see a reciept for the purchase of the TRUTH TRUCK?
Render unto Gri££in, that which is Gri££ins.
He owns the "Brand name" and he clearly owns the membership.
Sunday in Derbyshire sounds like a day out in Guyana, with reverend Jim Jones! - To witness the willing mass suicide of the British Nationalist movement!
Nationalists in the UK, have now no alternative but to join together in a new party.
Leave Gri££in with his dupes in the valley of the blind
I had no idea that the people I previously respected, worked beside and admired for so long, could be conned so easily.
Can we ever respect these people in the future if they can be hood'winked' this way?
Nick `Everthing' Gri££in knew the `4-year' wheeze was going nowhere, but knew it would achieved its purpose e.i. creating so much consternation among the BNP membership, that they thought by only voting a payout deal for Mugabe Gri££in they would achieve some sort of victory, when in fact the real aim of Grasper Gri££in was achieving a payout deal, and if the 4-year wheeze was passed then all the better for the conniving greedy bastard.
The other night I revealed Knucklehead Reynolds' regular rogering of Diane `Speadlegs' Smith, well here's another badly kept secret, Grasper Gri££in's Essex gopher puppet, Eddie `The Butler' Butler, for years was drilling and hammering the arse off Emma Colgate while she was still in a steady relationship with a hardworking BNP member.
While many notice Grasper Gri££in has an uncanny likeness to Adolf Hitler, how many have noticed Kiddyfiddler Collet, with his thin long nose, close-set jew-boy eyes, and his jew-boy big flappy ears, uncannily resembles Reinhard Heydrich. And remeber what happened to that arrogant bastard, mind you, Heydrich, was an accomplished violinist, while ratface Collet only knows how to fiddle.
Message to Grasper Gri$$in's security clowns, my advice to you is, should some demented sword-wielding Follower of Islam take a run at Gri££in or at Kiddyfiddler Collett, just step aside and let the bastard do us English patriots a big favour (Just like the Dallas sheriff and his deputies stepped aside to let jew-boy Ruby, fill-in Lee Oswald).
Beyond question Mugabe Gri££in has sold out to the jews. Just like the jews Gri££in has unbridled lust for money, something that could never be said of John Tyndal, who was, through and through a true English patriot stabbed in the back by that trecherous bastard Greedy Nick `Everything' Gi££in.
As for the comment by another patriot, on the subject of the £191,000 of BNP members' money Gri££in poured into Kiddyfiddler Collet's pockets last year, via Vanguard Enterprises (a.k.a. Gri££in & Collet Enterprises, Grabbit & Leggit Enterprises, Now-You-See-Now-You-Do'nt Enterprises, What's-Yours-Is-Mine-What's-Mine-Is-My-Own Enterprises, Heads-I-Win-Tails-You-Loose Enterprises). Its in last year's annual accounts cooked by Collet's partner in kiddy grooming crime, Dave Hannam: being mostly a fiscal tale of pure fiction, and that Hannam is an arsehole, the returns should have been classed as `Anal accounts'
Cadmus
"You've just KO'd your voters with one punch, and you claim to be political. Ignoring Adolf Hitler doesn't make anyone a football hooligan, it makes them a darn sight more intelligent than you are. After 60 years of your brand of politics which has the mass British public recoil in horror, we'll just continue with it, shall we?
Now, if you're interested in reality, the British people want healthcare, jobs, education, pensions, and peace, but as the past 60 years has shown, you are incapable of giving it to them because you'd rather praise Adolf Fucking Hitler.
18 August 2008 21:44"
Every party promises "healthcare, jobs, education, pensions, and peace". People who claim merely to want those things can join any of them. (They will be let down, but that's a different story.)
Banging on about pensions will not bring about the changes to society that racial nationalists wish to see, because anyone who is primarily interested in material benefits to themselves will always be tempted back to one of the established parties who are in a far stronger position to deliver.
Reading through this thread and others it occurs to me just how many of Griffin's supporters are on the sick, yet seem to be active and receiving back handers from the cyclops Is it possible that Griffin simply attracts fellow and allied parasites?
Do'nt be silly, of course you can't see the receipt of purchase of the Truth Truck, because you would fast learn the truth Nick `Everything' Gri££in is hiding from BNP members.
Focusing on Hess, Hitler, Nazis etc. is a complete waste of time and not the real issue here. We need to be focused like Griffin Watcher, who makes a lot of sense.
True patriots need to stay within the BNP, because outside of it, you can not make a change. See the BNP as a sound worthwhile ship controlled by a madman Skipper and his weasely Mate. The crew must plan how to throw the bastards overboard at the first opportune moment.
I and my fellow BNP members no longer donate money, and our fundholder is holding less than £100 in cash for local needs. I strenuously advise all other BNP groups and members to do the same. Gri££in was lumbered with £30,000 court costs for a case against the BNP disadents, he should have never persued.
As for Gri££in allowing the NDP setting-up a stall, Gri££in was doing the jews' calling in making the BNP unelectable.
Cadmus
"Banging on about pensions will not bring about the changes to society that racial nationalists wish to see, because anyone who is primarily interested in material benefits to themselves will always be tempted back to one of the established parties who are in a far stronger position to deliver.
18 August 2008 22:24"
You don't have a clue about REAL human beings at all, do you? You ever heard of the selfish gene? You keep committing suicide, I won't stop you, but YOUR principles, and YOUR ideology, will be the death of Britain.
"You don't have a clue about REAL human beings at all, do you? You ever heard of the selfish gene? You keep committing suicide, I won't stop you, but YOUR principles, and YOUR ideology, will be the death of Britain.
18 August 2008 23:37"
I can agree with that. All other parties gain power by offering the public what they want, and then when in power, they do what they want. Its worked for a hundred years, why can't nationalists use this method? Without power, we have nothing. Look at how the Tories and Labour party have shaped this country with their promises that never materialised. We can, and should do that.
"Look at how the Tories and Labour party have shaped this country with their promises that never materialised. We can, and should do that."
Nationalist can't achieve that. They are idealists, and not politicians, and it's why Griffin pisses all over them.
"I can agree with that. All other parties gain power by offering the public what they want, and then when in power, they do what they want. Its worked for a hundred years, why can't nationalists use this method? Without power, we have nothing. Look at how the Tories and Labour party have shaped this country with their promises that never materialised. We can, and should do that.
18 August 2008 23:47"
The established parties tend to attract corrupt and cynical people who want a career in politics and have no interest in changing anything. For example, a mutual acquaintance told one of my friends he would be running for the local council. My friend asked him if he would be improving our area for local people. The reply was, "Will I f***! It's just easy money." This man is now a senior Liberal Democrat councillor.
Only idealism not cynicism can attract enough dedicated people to hope to defeat the inbuilt advantages of our opposition.
Gri££in's cynicism and opportunism truly make him a man for our time.
Oh, and whoever mentioned 'The Selfish Gene' clearly has not understood what Dawkins wrote.
"Oh, and whoever mentioned 'The Selfish Gene' clearly has not understood what Dawkins wrote.
19 August 2008 12:36"
"Prior to the 1960s, it was common for such behaviour to be explained in terms of group selection, where the benefits to the organism or even population were supposed to account for the popularity of the genes responsible for the tendency towards that behaviour. This was shown not to be an evolutionarily stable strategy, in that it would only take a single individual with a tendency towards more selfish behaviour to undermine a population otherwise filled only with the gene for altruism towards non-kin."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene
Mr Gri££in - take your thirty grand and F*** Off to Croatia, while you still can.
Gri££in depends for his survival on two groups of people.
Crooks.
Nobodies and social cripples. Pathetic creatures who think that by pledging loyalty to Gri££in and riding on his coat tails, they become somebody.
The NPD? Left wing Nazis? What a joke!
Already forgotten the German court case in which it was revealed that 60% of NPD officials were Police infiltrators?
Or the newspaper expose revealing that the founder of the NPD had been an MI6 agent for decades and actually set up the NPD on the orders of MI6?
"The NPD? Left wing Nazis? What a joke!
Already forgotten the German court case in which it was revealed that 60% of NPD officials were Police infiltrators?
Or the newspaper expose revealing that the founder of the NPD had been an MI6 agent for decades and actually set up the NPD on the orders of MI6?
20 August 2008 07:17"
Lol, just like the BNP. The numpties have no idea that they're being lead by the nose.
"Re :Agreed, the whole thing was a setup and as Collett shoke hands with Chris Jackson the smirk on paedo-boys face was obviously well rehearsed."
Chris Jackson was on his best behaviour at the EGM and just being diplomatic. If anyone thinks that CJ is a friend of Mark Wallet they better think again.
"for years was drilling and hammering the arse off Emma Colgate while she was still in a steady relationship with a hardworking BNP member."
Well that's a load of rubbish for a start, he did fuck all as a member and an organiser.
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