Wednesday, 10 December 2008
CLARIFICATION
Following reports in the paper regarding my support of the BNP I have been asked to clarify my position in regards to the party, I have also had it put to me that I am still a member but keeping “quiet” about it!.
For a start, those that know me know I do not do anything quietly, there would be no logical gain being a covert member of the BNP, if I were still a member people would certainly know about it.I have mixed feelings about the BNP as a party but stout regard for most of the membership.
The party has policies that are not only unworkable but foolish and dangerous. On the other hand they have policies that I totally agree with.
Do not forget the roots of the BNP lay in the National Front and so there are causes for concern there, the present leadership of the party have cut their teeth on scandal and controversy, Nick Griffin, being a prime example.
The Government financially support left-wing groups such as UAF and Searchlight to portray the BNP as a sinister organisation full of trouble causers, the leaked membership list proves otherwise, it show that the members are a cross-section of today’s society covering a vast range of careers and professions.
All of BNP Organisers, Group Leaders and Activists do their job voluntarily, there are some who wish it were different, as I found out, but the main workers do it because they have a passion not a pay packet.
Nick Griffin brought the BNP out of the ashes and to where it is today but, and it is an extremely big “but”, I, personally, believe he can no longer lead the party effectively, he carries too much baggage, as become too greedy and has scant regard for the real members.
If the party wishes to loose the “Racist” stigma then they must also loose Nick and a few of his cronies, there are plenty of other members capable of leading the party, one, who I would give full backing to, actually reads this blog, Chris Hill.
The core values of the BNP are well placed and founded on bed-rock, solid national pride, being proud of one’s heritage is not racist nor is trying to stop the influx of immigrants.
Blaming ethnics for the problems within the Country is only part of the problem, the main problem is our current Government who have led and allowed us to get into this mess.
You do not have to be a BNP member to know that immigration is out of control, our infrastructure is at breaking point, we are being bled dry by Europe or that our Government is full of liars, thieves and people incapable of holding public office.
If we cannot trust the people elected to protect and serve us then surely people have a right to look for those that will.
That is why I believe people are turning to the BNP, not because they are racists but because they need someone or something to believe in again.So, in a nutshell, No, I’m not a member, although I could be tempted to re-join if certain situations changed. I believe in some but not all of the BNP policies.
I would like to see a change of Party Leadership, more inter-reaction of the party‘s members and a more transparent party line.
I think highly of the core membership and their commitment to the party.
I would deny that all members are racist, I accept some are but you will get racists in all walks of life and political parties. Finally, given the opportunity, yes I would vote for them.
Posted by Councillor John Oddy at 13:59
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The next leader of the party must have a proven record of efficient management skills, and preferably some experience in elected office as well, and there are such people in our party. What the party doesn't need is another show business personality. A liberal dose of good common sense, and practical management skills, will be far more important than any academic qualifications when the job of rebuilding our party is eventually undertaken. I would love to think that I'll be able to play some small part in that, albeit at a local level, but to suggest any more is I'm afraid quite unrealistic (although I am very flattered). If there is a dream team it would be Roger Robertson as a temporary leader while Sadie gained experience, before she eventual leading us first into parliament, and then a few years later into government. Roger has lots of good management experience, and would be a great choice to reform the party's constitution and management structure, but he's simply too old to lead us into power. Sadie needs experience of leadership which, while acting as deputy to Roger, she would get.
However this is all totally irrelevant at the moment. While Griffin and his cronies are still well entrenched at the top of the party, and yes I do accept there are many good and able people up there along with his 'yes' men. All members, who have the best interests of our nation at heart, must now set about the work of democratically replacing Mr Griffin, as the first step to reforming the party, and making the BNP truly electable in the eyes of the British people.
From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)
Just one other quick point, it has been pointed out to me that during Colin Auty's leadership challenge a few months ago, Colin asked Sadie if she could get him a copy of the membership list, in-order to canvass nominations for his candidature. Sadie told Colin that she hadn't got the membership list, and the reasons that are clear: Sadie's computer (along with all her data CDs etc.), had been removed by BNP security, and all the other officials involved in the December purge had already deleted the membership list from their computers.
Anyone wanting to get back at Griffin for spite would have given Colin the list if they had it, waiting until now (when it actually helps Griffin) simply doesn't make sense.
All the December 6 are effectively gagged, by the current court action, they can't these ridiculous allegations against them, for that reason every fair minded party member must consider them innocent until they are free to speak out and answer these allegations themselves.
From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)
copy of the hammer and sickle on its way to bill oddy signed by stalin at traitors gate !
sadie graham will never be a future leader of the bnp for the simple reason we all see her as a traitor she could have been but she got ahead of herself she should have taken longer to stick her head over the parapet she played her cards way to early and got permanently burnt and will never return to the fold too much has happened for that to happen
Yes Chris would be a good choice for leader. He was a member in Bradford for a few years and did well in trying to improve things here. He seemed to have a lot of leadership potential and he is very clever thats for sure.
One thing that is blatantly obvious is that the party can continue no further with the current leadership in place, it carries too much baggage and over the years has allienated far too many honest and decent activist/officials and members.
It is most definately a sad state of affairs at the moment.
I have faith that Mr Griffin will be removed and that the cronyism and corruption will be replaced by a better system than the dictatorial system that we are saddled with at the moment.
The court case with the rebels could well prove to be a pivotal moment in the history of British Nationalism, my fear is that the state will rig the outcome of the case in order to defend Mr Griffin, his ineptitude has held the party back for many years and the state are well aware of this fact.
The current increase in B.N.P. voters is most encouraging, however I honestly feel that this is not due to the actions of Mr Griffin and his team, it is rather a national reaction of our countries people that are rapidly becoming increasingly fed up with their lot.
Policies of course must change also, the current "zionist" line of blaming the muslims for all of our ills must be replaced by a more truthful approach to the problems that our country faces, usury being one of the prime examples thereof.
Financial transparency must also be re-assesed, the Trafalgar Club is well known to be Mr Griffins personal cash cow, although it is purported to have been set up for the benefit of the party, indeed one of Mr Griffins leadership election pledges in 1999 was for increased transparency, looking at the Trafalgar Club, we can see that he has spectacularly failed in this regard.
Entrenched as he is, it is by no means impossible to remove Mr Griffin, however it will require a concerted effort by all decent nationalists, factionalism must be removed and replaced by a level of co-operaration and teamwork that his never before been witnessed in the history of British Nationalism.
The goals are ultimately achievable if we put our collective minds and intelligence to the task.
Keep the faith, we will get there in the end.
Regards.
The single "Leader" thing is tested and has failed. (Paranoia and ego would get to most people in the end)
A small group of trusted proven people would be far more effective, perhaps with the office of Chairman being for a single short fixed period.
The constitution must be changed first, and only a new leader can do that.
.........There is a blockage.
why have you removed any comments critical of chris hill is this because he wrote this article himself i thought you did not censor comments .well i for one will not be returning to this blog for that reason im not going to waste my time posting anything for you to take it down your out of order
Sadie Graham's and Nick Gri££in's court case was due to start today. How convenient that were it not for Sadie’s arrest the leader of the near bankrupted BNP would today be in Court fighting the December rebels without the funds to be able to do so.
The leaked BNP list contained the names of people who had left the party, had made a purchase from Excalibur and who had merely requested an information pack. They were not members but whoever leaked the list done so with the aim of making the BNP membership appear larger than it actually is. Now why would a disgruntled ex-employee, a state operative or a ‘red’ do this, this is more likely to be someone within the leadership of the party. I believe Gri££in leaked the list for the publicity, a cash injection, and to delay a court case he could not afford to fight.
Something very sinister is going on, the press as usual gave Gri££in an easy ride and he came out smelling of roses. Ask yourself who gains from this and if Gri££in did leak this list he done so with the knowledge that he has powerful friends covering his back.
I would definately vote for Chris Hill in any leadership challenge. Nick Griffin has just sacked David Joines, he was managing director of Excalibur. Time for a change vote for Chrissy
Why was Joines sacked? They've only just got rid of Walker!
One of the comments made above seems to suggest that the upcoming court case, against the 6 members expelled last December has been postponed, does anyone know if that's true? And if so why.
Has Griffin managed to find the money to pay his solicitors now, and where if he has did he get the money from? At the risk of being accused of speculating can I suggest the influx of sympathy donations after the leaked list story hit the news may have helped.
Once again I ask who had most to gain from leaking the list, Mr Griffin or Cllr Sadie Graham?
"One of the comments made above seems to suggest that the upcoming court case, against the 6 members expelled last December has been postponed, does anyone know if that's true? And if so why."
Yes thats a fact. Postponed until a decision from CPS whether to continue with charges against Matt and Sadie Single. Civil case cannot be held until after a criminal trial - if that even happens. Gri££in will be well gourging his way through the EU trough by the time this dust has settled and he wont give two hoots to six disgruntled former employees or six hundred former members. just as long as the money keeps rolling in.
Mr G really is one devious bastard! But why is it he only uses his skills of intrigue and misinformation against his fellow nationalist.
lets be real nick will still be the leader in a year from now and it doesent matter how you disgruntled bitter no hopers try to pretent some idiot will take his place because it wont happen.you can associate with mi5 searchlight or directly with the labour party but all you will do is keep posting here like saddoes cheers bartxx
lets be real nick will still be the leader in a year from now and it doesent matter how you disgruntled bitter no hopers try to pretent some idiot will take his place because it wont happen.you can associate with mi5 searchlight or directly with the labour party but all you will do is keep posting here like saddoes cheers bartxx
11 December 2008 22:06
You've changed your tune from 12 months ago. What happened, did you decide you can't live without following an arsehole?
Bartxx the changeling, hence untrustworthy.
It will no doubt be remembered as with the many others of your ilk.
BARTXX on SF, or should I say Martin from Nottingham. Read them, and you'll soon appreciate the two faced and unstable mentality of those given positions in the BNP. Martin, is a liar and a traitor, and we know Griffin will enjoy reading these tidbits, or maybe not, as we know Griffin thrives on the money of morons such as this.
I particularly like his last quote on Griffin :)
Happy reading, Martin...
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i was told nick in the past has used the name droid to post on stormfront
and dve hannan posts as silkworm"
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=4914617#post4914617
"i am sat here with my wife and she has said to me how can we be members of a party that has 2 of its top officials that try to take 13 year old girls back to their hotel room. when we have daughters of 7 15 and 16. she thought we were the party of law and order and detested peaodophiles ..as this party stands we will have nothing to do with it untill they are removed."
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=4914761#post4914761
"you mean he has never had a proper job .
we have paid his wages and if any of us ask awkword questions he gets rid of us like we mean nothing at all "
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=443415&page=149
I think this one might be a favourite though,BARTXX?
"fraud squad have you noticed how the nick griffin fan club spend all their time protecting his name on stormfront. they must phone him up "nick i,ve stood up for you again on sfb can i be the first with ya" lick lick.
its sick to watch.
nick calls bnp members vermin that is so sad can you imagine the outcry if gordon brown said some labour party activists are vermin.
yet these idiots cant see any wrong in the great leader."
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=443415&page=170
Or this, BARTXX?
Tell me, are you really stupid enough to support what you hate? Clearly you are, and that proves you unfit to be a nationalist.
"most of us criticising the leadership are fully paid up members as am i ,so how come you you have the right to tell us to shut up and call us twats but we as members dont have the right to not be happy with the leadership.we are not attacking (as you call it)all the bnp just the corrupt leadership"
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=451771&page=71
This is what happens Bartxx when you display as many faces as a dice. Should you really be posting on the C.U.N.T. chatroom, due to your position and the considering the parties image?
Tsk tsk tsk, it seems like Bartxx has been a naughty little turncoat.
I'd quite like BARTXX to tell me why he supports a corrupt leadership.
NG
I am sure Bartxx is a decent enough sort but like many others feel that the only option is to support the corrupt bisexual freemasonic leader.
Well it isn't! In the long run a party which presents itself through the medium of Barnes,Collett Eriksen and the flipper handed cyclops himself just isn't going to get anywhere.
Chris Jackson is still my choice for leader, he is genuine and knows the Council inside out, There would be no jobs for the boys with Jacko.
"Chris Jackson is still my choice for leader, he is genuine and knows the Council inside out, There would be no jobs for the boys with Jacko.
12 December 2008 09:52"
I agree, but trying to convince the thick membership that a real educated working class man as leader would completely destroy the Labour vote, is like trying to pull teeth. Its all very well them admiring a Cambridge man who rips them off, but this country is crying out for a working class hero that genuinely understands their plight because he lives the same life.
Chris Jackson IS that man who is capable of sweeping up the masses on issues he lives and understands, and the working class outweigh the middle classes in vast numbers.
If the BNP wants to genuinely move forward and smash all records for any nationalist party it needs CHRIS JACKSON, NOW.
With regards to the suggestion that Chris Jackson could be a candidate for the leadership, I would like to add my three pence's to the debate.
When Chris stood against Griffin last year I was firmly in the Griffin camp, and I think I made that clear to anyone who would listen at that time. I now realise that that was a mistake. Chris Jackson may not have a Cambridge degree (even a poorly third), but in the current chaos a liberal dose of good common sense is worth more than a hundred academic qualifications.
However I would like to think that any leadership challenge will be mounted on a platform of democratic constitutional change, and modernisation. Simply replacing Griffin with Chris Jackson would, it is true, give the party a more honest and committed leadership, but the fear of many would be this might be at the cost of reverting back to the party of JT's time.
The next challenge to Mr Griffin, if it is to succeed, must have the backing of all wings of the party. This will only be possible if the challenger makes a clear statement about his or her initial intentions once elected, i.e. democratic constitutional change, and then a free and fair leadership election between Chris and the modernising wing of the party to decide the course the party takes after its democratisation.
Chris Jackson may not have Griffin's charisma, but honesty and integrity he clearly does have.
From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)
"a liberal dose of good common sense is worth more than a hundred academic qualifications."
Isn't that the truth!
Don't you want to respond, Bartxx?
Bartxx is an example of what I’ve been saying all along.
The majority of BNP members suffer from battered wife syndrome. They’re so used to being abused that they accept it as normal and many will remain in the relationship until it quite literally kills them.
If BNP members must insist on survival of the fittest, then they must learn a very important lesson.
ONCE BITTEN, TWICE SHY.
It will save your life.
Regards
SE
As SE says most BNP members do suffer from battered wife syndrome.
It derives from the NF and its confrontational style where political activity was 'on the streets' rather than a more subtle attempt to influence opinion and get votes.
Nationalism came to see itself as only progressing when there were mobs on the street against it or similar lurid headline creating events.
If that is what you expect you'll get it and the expectation soon extends to what you get from your own leaders.
What SE did not mention is that for many people the above provides excitement in their lives and they are loathe to participate otherwise.
A vicious circle easily exploited by enemies both without and within.
"a liberal dose of good common sense is worth more than a hundred academic qualifications."
Oh yes Hill and what qualifications do you have then, an O level in woodwork no doubt.
What a bunch of key board no hopers! The same type of low intellect who would bend a total strangers ear to mutter about there imaginary grievance. A very unproductive shower of failures . I will not be wasting my time returning here again. I would dread being on active service with any of you cranks.
What a bunch of key board no hopers! The same type of low intellect who would bend a total strangers ear to mutter about there imaginary grievance. A very unproductive shower of failures . I will not be wasting my time returning here again. I would dread being on active service with any of you cranks.
Colin Auty does not have the tenacity or understand nationalist politics or its history enough to lead anything serious other than at local city councillor level know they self.
Dear Anonymous (19:57 pm)
Although I am quite a good carpenter (at least at the DIY level), I don't have any formal qualifications in the subject.
However if you need advice on any aspects of framing, can I suggest you ask Mr Griffin. He's a real expert.
From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)
However if you need advice on any aspects of framing, can I suggest you ask Mr Griffin. He's a real expert.
From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)
Nice one lol
"What a bunch of key board no hopers! The same type of low intellect who would bend a total strangers ear to mutter about there imaginary grievance. A very unproductive shower of failures . I will not be wasting my time returning here again. I would dread being on active service with any of you cranks."
Active service my arse !
The founder of this blog did Ulster in the early 70's, so screw you !
I also agree that CHRIS JACKSON would make a fine leader.
He would ensure as he always has said that the Advisory council would be 'primus inter pares' - first among equals.
He is an hard headed yorkshireman who might lack the high qualifications of academics, but will ask those high academics within and without the party for their advice.
As others have said, he is a truly honest man, and by God, we need an honest man to lead us right now.
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