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My membership was processed a week or so before they downed tools yet I am on the leaked list so I don't think it was Sadie and Co.
"My membership was processed a week or so before they downed tools yet I am on the leaked list so I don't think it was Sadie and Co.24 February 2009 19:29"Put it this way. The police don't charge and send you to court without evidence.
Matt, What about the shooting in Dagenham, i believed you but you made it all up. I hope the police don't do you for waisting police time.
Put it this way. The police don't charge and send you to court without evidence.Then I ask, how did that evidence get there?
There’s more to this than meets the eye (no pun intended) mark my words. No one in their right mind would have done this without pressure from somewhere. Will we ever know exactly what happened?
The shooting in dagenham WAS real as I saw the bullet hole in the car and the smashed glass etc back in dag the next day so that was true. Anything else i dont know about.
Where exactly does this news come from. However I do realise the police simply finger the easiest suspect. Lets face it Griffin did this and everyone knows it.
The CPS are wasting public money against nationalists yet again.If these folk (Sadie and Co) had been prepared to leak the list, they would surely have used it during Colin Auty's challenge for leadership.Mr Auty was (illegaly and unconstitutionaly) denied access to this list and was thus unable to obtain the require number of nomination votes.The criminals running the country are in cahoots with the criminals who leaked the list.The average BNP member has not even read the BNP "constitution" - this is clear as many of them refer to it as "Our" party. Upon reading this remarkable document it becomes clear to even the dimmest reader, that the party belongs to Nick Griffin alone. This parody of a document should be urgently rewritten - before the media decide to use it as a weapon of ridicule against every BNP member.It is unbelievable that the Electoral Commission allow the BNP to register as a political party, given that a party's constitution must be lodged with them to register the party.Perhaps the Electoral Commission (in common with the membership) have not bothered to read this document.Persecuting these brave and decent people will only draw attention to the current problems within the BNP and weakness of it's constitution - Could this be the state's intention?The only trouble with the British Judicial system - It has very little to do with justice these days.Good Luck to the Decemberists.
Dear Anonymous (22:55 hrs),I agree 100% with everything you say, I can't add anything to your comment at all.Well said.FromChris Hill(Lancaster)
"The criminals running the country are in cahoots with the criminals who leaked the list."Your written words may come back to haunt you, anon.Griffin did not leak the list.RegardsSE
SE said:"Griffin did not leak the list."How do know this?I would agree that : If Mr Griffin was the source of the list, it would be important for him to avoid being compromised and to allow others to be accused.To achieve this, he would surely arrange for the list to be released by a hireling or trusted agent, perhaps (even)from outside the BNP!Other than this reasonable assumption, - have you some personal knowledge of who did leak it?
they are guilty griffin is innocent get over it you saddos
How do know this?Because I know Griffin would never harm his money supply.RegardsSE
SE. Griffin won't need a cash supply from the menbers if, as people keep saying, his "handlers" are going to allow him an MEP seat? So allowing the list to be leaked wouldn't harm Griffin in the slightest? Time will tell.
Dear SE,I think you're missing the point here, Griffin needs to keep the membership below 9-10,000 in order to retain control of his money supply.The release of the list brought in a great many donations from well wishers and supporters alike, and motivated many activists, while acting as a deterrent to new members. The removal from the list of information about the period of membership (ie which years they were members) made it look like we had around 12,000 members, thus boosting Griffin's image as a party builder. Anyone who has ever received a membership list knows that only about half the names on it are current members, thus giving a more likely membership total of 6-7000. The realise of the membership list, just before the civil case was due to come to court, benefited Griffin (not Sadie or Matt), by allowing him time to drum up funds to pay his legal bills. It also allowed him to justify his actions against the expelled members to the grassroots membership, who have only ever heard one side of the story. Now I can't prove that Griffin either; directly released the list himself, or sanctioned the release of the list. But I can show that without any doubt neither Sadie nor Matt had anything to gain from its release, and in fact (as their arrest shows) they had much to lose from it.FromChris Hill(Lancaster)
"Dear SE,I think you're missing the point here, Griffin needs to keep the membership below 9-10,000 in order to retain control of his money supply."Everything you wrote is plausible and a few months ago I would have believed it, and even said it. But, you omit the human factor and the state of mind of those who stand charged.I know what its like to be charged with things you’re not guilty of, its not nice, and a vicious enough mind will lash out in ways far more extreme than just having a personal dig on the Internet.It is my personal opinion that Matt and Sadie were put under such enormous pressure financially and personally that one, or both, snapped. And if I had to lay a bet, I would put my money on Matt Single having done it. Sadie Graham is extremely computer literate and would not have taken two days cutting and pasting from an EXCEL document. She would have known how to upload the document cleanly and within seconds.RegardsSE
Dear SE,Declaring a belief that someone charged with a crime is innocent, is quite acceptable under the laws of Sub-Judicy, declaring a belief in their guilt could violate those laws. Moreover it might prejudice a fair trial. Both Sadie and Matt have the right to the assumption of innocence until it is proved beyond doubt in court. FromChris Hill(Lancaster)
chris hill if as you say you can show it was not graham or single who leaked the list they will be found not guilty when you give your irrefutable evidence to the court in their defence as that would surely be your duty if you know for definate they are innocent
so chris you are saying that sadie and matt are innocent until proven guilty but you wont give the same rights to nick griffin who you have found guilty in his absence make up your mind you cant have your cake and eat
This is the only site carrying this story. Where have you got your information from, and why is it not being reported elsewhere? I can't see why, if the police have charged them, it wouldn't have been reported on other sites. Quote your sources for this story.
You saw the bullet hole but you didn't see it happen, no body did accept R... Boy and the other nutter from South London. He done it himself earlier in the afternoon. This is why the police raided his flat looking for a weapon. Matt was a great bloke, one of the best, why he is causing all this trouble for the BNP i don't know. Probadly MONEY as always.
Dear Anonymous posters (18:36 & 18:40 Hrs),I didn't say that I could prove Sadie and Matt are innocent, I implied only that all the circumstantial evidence supports that conclusion. Nor did I say that I could prove Griffin released the list, I cannot! So just to help you out I'll repeat exactly what I say in my posting below, Now I can't prove that Griffin either; directly released the list himself, or sanctioned the release of the list. But I can show that without any doubt neither Sadie nor Matt had anything to gain from its release, and in fact (as their arrest shows) they had much to lose from it.Now anonymous poster, do I get an apology from you?FromChris Hill(Lancaster)
This is the only site carrying this story. Where have you got your information from, and why is it not being reported elsewhere? I can't see why, if the police have charged them, it wouldn't have been reported on other sites. Quote your sources for this story.25 February 2009 18:56BNP Members
"Dear SE,Declaring a belief that someone charged with a crime is innocent, is quite acceptable under the laws of Sub-Judicy, declaring a belief in their guilt could violate those laws. Moreover it might prejudice a fair trial. Both Sadie and Matt have the right to the assumption of innocence until it is proved beyond doubt in court. FromChris Hill(Lancaster)"A bet is never a dead cert is it? I also thought you were banned from this blog?
I agree 100% with everything you say, I can't add anything to your comment at all.Well said.FromChris Hill(Lancaster)IF CHRIS HILL AGREE'S TO ANYTHING BE VERY SUSPECT!!
RE.....CHRIS HILL.A bet is never a dead cert is it? I also thought you were banned from this blog? Here Here!
Quote your sources for this story.25 February 2009 20:27Are you a moron? BNP members already know about it!
It's now essential to the state that a party should exist espousing the views of millions of betrayed citizens and plausibly a threat to the big three parties but without the potential to do anything.A remarkable development which is not exactly being broadcast by the press!What is the 'correct' number of members which will allow the media to to talk up its prospects - while being below a ceiling of effectiveness in breaking out into the mainstream? And thus also providing a deterrent to those thinking of climbing aboard if victory seems far more than faintly possible. 5,000 does not sound big enough while 50,000 would be too close for comfort. 12,000 sounds about right to me. The leaked list helps those inside to see themselves as brave (which they are) while deterring the majority of the public who are not built for heroic gestures. The hard core will then steel themselves to keep the thing going in a smallish way as the state wishes.Not only does the 'correct' number of members help the state to manage discontent it paradoxically also allows the Tories to dodge committing to anything much nationalistic since the public can believe they have a secret weapon up their sleeves if the Tories don't deliver. Who was it who used to preach about Brigadier Kitson and 'pseudo-gangs' used to give the public a false impression of an opposition movement? He's now running one.
What court are Matt and Sadie appearing in, and are both charged with the same offence. Will both be pleading not guilty.
"Matt was a great bloke, one of the best,"He was, and I cant for the life of me understand what possesed him (if he did it) to leak the list. Maybe something did snap in his head which does not excuse this but people that go nuts do sometimes really crazy things without realising. What else am I supposed to think? As for him working for Searchlight or whatever, thats total bollocks.
`I also thought you were banned from this blog'As long as Chris `Mentally' Hill makes sense and refrains from supporting the yids then I have no problem with him posting to this site. Stick to that, Chris, and I promise not to call you `cunt' again.`The only trouble with the British judicial system it has very little to do with justice these days'What do you expect from the British judicial system when it's dominated and run by yids, and almost 100% of High Court judges are yids openly stating they belonging to zonist organizations?CHRIS, THIS IS WERE YOU BITE YOUR TONGUE AND KEEP YOUR TRAP FIRMLY SHUT.As for Sadie & Matt supposedly to appear in court today: well, most of us remember the Old Bill's `cast-iron' proof/evidence that sent poor old innocent Kisko to jail for 14 odd years, and which eventually killed him and his dear old Mum.If Griffin and the Old Bill are relying on e-mail addresses attached to individual computers, remember that prior to the leaked BNP list, Griffin's goons chimps and gorillas lead by the bloated-arsed silver-back Reynold, illegally lifted Sadie's computer, so it's not rocket science to conclude that Griffin or his chimps could have used Sadie's stolen computer to leak the list.
I think Sadie is too much of a true patriot to leak the list but Matt has often shown lack of good judgement and is not mentally strong.If it was Matt, and Sadie has had nothing to do with the leaked list let's hope Matt will do the decent thing by admitting Sadie knew nothing.
Why are they still on bail?
Anti-gag said... Dear SE,I think you're missing the point here, Griffin needs to keep the membership below 9-10,000 in order to retain control of his money supply.THIS MAN IS "NUT'S"
I think Sadie is too much of a true patriot to leak the list but Matt has often shown lack of good judgement and is not mentally strong."WHAT A LOAD OF PURE RUBBISH!
CHRIS HILL STOP HIDING MY BLACK CAP.JUDGE COCKSURE!!
Yesterday reports appeared on this blog to the effect that both Sadie and Matt were to appear in court today to answer charges related to the release of a BNP membership list last November. A press officer, for Powys police, has confirmed that neither have been charged with any offence, nor do they have any plans to do so. I have also now had a text from Sadie which also confirms this.FromChris Hill(Lancaster)
At 3pm today (27th Feb 2009) the press officer of Powys police confirmed that neither Sadie nor Matt has been charged with any offence, nor is there any immediate plans to charge them, they simply remain on police bail. This story is a product of the 'Griffin spin machine', let's not fall for it. FromChris Hill
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