tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post5352212804324845986..comments2024-03-25T18:39:17.170+00:00Comments on NorthWestNationalists: GWRhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10227275443444362915noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-21218021650162336522008-07-02T07:01:00.000+01:002008-07-02T07:01:00.000+01:00If your last comment is true may I make a suggesti...If your last comment is true may I make a suggestion? Don't stand in elections against BNP candidates.<BR/><BR/>To be honest, it had looked to me, as an outsider, that the BNP might get two seats in the GLA. The BNP campaign was almost entirely based on leafleting, however. Fine in local elections but in an area the size of London no good. Only a relatively low percentage was covered and most some weeks before the poll (by which time everyone would have forgotten). <BR/><BR/>It was necessary to break into the media and they did this effectively only once on the issue of a second preference vote for Johnson. Without that publicity I doubt that they would have got one person elected!<BR/><BR/>I think also that you should leave the personal abuse of Nick Griffin out. Your complaints are mainly about structures or the lack of them internally. You need to clarify your thinking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-11882740626828025332008-07-01T17:05:00.000+01:002008-07-01T17:05:00.000+01:00Your points are noted and your explanations for th...Your points are noted and your explanations for the NF vote and relatively poor BNP vote are true.<BR/><BR/>However, they don't explain the whole picture, particularly when the BNP were loudly bouasting of 2 to 3 GLA seats.<BR/><BR/>Your lst point is incorrec. On the contrary we would all like to see a Nationlist Government in the UK, and to see the BNP doing well. NW Nationalists have always supported the BNP and the cause of Nationalism.<BR/><BR/>But the BNP is more than its leader yet Griffin and his cabal of corrupt chancers act as if they own th BNP and its members. They don't.<BR/><BR/>The fact is that the BNP would be far more successful and far more cost effective and far more competent if it had a decent, competent and honest leader, not the corrupt and incompetent chancer it has called "Nick Griffin".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-17560762303417836762008-06-28T06:22:00.000+01:002008-06-28T06:22:00.000+01:00In the wake of this apparent "landmark" victory th...<I>In the wake of this apparent "landmark" victory the BNP seemed oblivious to the fact that 30 years ago the more honestly racist National Front averaged pretty much the same vote and better over large swathes of London.</I><BR/><BR/>Point of fact: the best result the NF got in London was in the Greater London Council elections of 1977 (119,000 votes). They beat the Liberals in 33 consituencies. Since that time, however, there have been substantial deomographic shifts. Many whites have moved to the outer London boroughs and only the mainly Tory Westminster and Kensington and Chelsea remain white in the inner city.<BR/><BR/>In addition to these adverse demographic factors the smaller Parties were hurt by a desire to oust Red Ken and a Tory revival.<BR/><BR/>You scoff at the win for the BNP. I suspect you wish they had not got someone elected so that you had more fuel for your campaign against Nick Griffin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-50194705266154143372008-06-27T15:52:00.000+01:002008-06-27T15:52:00.000+01:00"Clearly under NG Nationalists have won more elect..."Clearly under NG Nationalists have won more electoral support than ever before. Can you tell me what the total number of Cllrs was before? I count three who all lost their seats at the following election: 2 National Party, 1 BNP. In electoral terms Griffin and his team appear quite competent. I find it odd that political opponents acknowledge this yet you don't face facts."<BR/><BR/>Clearly it is you, my Griffinite friend, who fails to observe the facts. Much of the recent successes of the BNP are due to factors other than Nick Griffin. The northern riots and Muslim terrorism have all played their part, along with media talk of mass immigration and the media debate about the plight of whites etc. There is also one very important factor that you - no doubt as some sit-at-home armchair politician no doubt who has never pushed a leaflet through a letterbox but who cruises the internet as some sort of superhero internet warrior, would never know - and that is the hard work and sacrifices and organisational skills of the BNP's officers, organisers and rank and file members and dedicated activists. <BR/><BR/>Local activists win elections, not officials and internet warriors.<BR/><BR/>On a different matter of note if it wasn't for Nick Griffin the BNP would actually be getting somewhere and not engaging in self-destruction and having its funds robbed by this con-merchant who is so caught up in scam money-making schemes and cowboy financial ventures that the BNP is now virtually bankrupt.<BR/><BR/>Expulsions and resignations and a dictatorial leadership style does not make a good leader or a successful and morale-rich party.<BR/><BR/>Nick Griffin has tried to identify himself with every success, so much so that many - like you - believe that without the guiding hand of Griffin the BNP would have achieved nothing at all.<BR/><BR/>This is utter nonsense. If there were any truth to it at all then the BNP would have achieved comparable results to those it obtained in places like Oldham and Burnley over the remainder of the country. <BR/><BR/>It is pretty obvious to all except braindead Griffinite sycophants tha electoral conditions were never better for the BNP than they were on May 1st. A long serious of immigration controversies preceded the elections, some in the same week, there was the 40th anniversary of Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech, falling together with the BBC "White Season" series, and the party frequently received completely uncritical press coverage. <BR/><BR/>And still Nick Griffin could deliver only 10 extra councillors from the 612 seats fought by the BNP.<BR/><BR/>With the GLA elections the much-hyped Richard Barnbrook scraped a GLA seat with 5.4%.<BR/><BR/>In the wake of this apparent "landmark" victory the BNP seemed oblivious to the fact that 30 years ago the more honestly racist National Front averaged pretty much the same vote and better over large swathes of London. The truth is that the BNP should have achieved election on 7-8% of the vote if there was to be any credibility to their claim of "progress". <BR/><BR/>After nine years of Nick Griffin, in the most favourable circumstances imaginable, the BNP still manages a grand total of 55 local councillors and one elected member of the GLA.<BR/><BR/>Nick Griffin has failed - and failed miserably. He only stays in office due to his fascist dictatorship of the BNP.<BR/><BR/>Come on you Griffinite muppet - wake up and smell the coffee!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-74298757497971779312008-06-27T15:27:00.000+01:002008-06-27T15:27:00.000+01:00Anonymous said "I think that everyone, including p...Anonymous said "I think that everyone, including politicians, is entitled to say "Mind your own business" when asked intrusive questions."<BR/><BR/>The point of the matter is this: Firstly, whilst individuals should have the right to practise what they want to in private, homosexuality should not be publicly promoted OR accepted as perfectly natural and acceptable for a healthy natural society. Third Way, as a perverted pseudo-nationalist organisation plays straight into the arms of the perverts and corruptors of the Natural Order and family and morality. Third Way want to get the gay vote and the soft-left vote by appealing to the lowest common denominator. They are nothing less than social perverts and have become the political pariahs of nationalism.<BR/><BR/>The second point is that whilst individual members of a political party should be free to do what they want behind closed doors with legal and consenting parties, leaders of such organisations have to be seen as whiter than white and above suspicion when it comes to morality and family values. You simply cannot have a nationalist leader who preaches about family, morality and heterosexuality and criticises homosexuality deviancy who may turn out to be a closet queer.<BR/><BR/>The moral of this is, if you are a nationalist leader (or a pseudo-nationalist leader), then if you're a closet queer you either come out or you stay in and leave politics.<BR/><BR/>The choice is yours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-63776407873567855712008-06-21T12:30:00.000+01:002008-06-21T12:30:00.000+01:00I was interested in the comment from one poster st...I was interested in the comment from one poster stating Nick Griffin was not "competent". Another poster suggests that Griffin is:- <I>"holding back the advance of Nationalism".</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>I know you have a soft-spot for the old Nationalist leaders like Webster and Tyndall. Yet consider this from the New Statesman:-<BR/><BR/><I>"The BNP polled 5.3 per cent across London and averaged 13.9 per cent in the 642 council wards it contested around the country. It now has 55 councillors and poses a serious threat across several regions in next year's European elections, not to mention the mayoral election taking place in Stoke-on-Trent next year."</I><BR/><BR/>Clearly under NG Nationalists have won more electoral support than ever before. Can you tell me what the total number of Cllrs was before? I count three who all lost their seats at the following election: 2 National Party, 1 BNP. In electoral terms Griffin and his team appear quite competent. I find it odd that political opponents acknowledge this yet you don't face facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-19616426642507790492008-06-21T08:19:00.000+01:002008-06-21T08:19:00.000+01:00It's important because what a political leader doe...<I>It's important because what a political leader does in private reflects their conduct in public life.</I><BR/><BR/>As I understand BNP policy (and I am not a member) they take the view that homosexuality should not be promoted but it is an individual, personal matter otherwise. Like the US forces they operate a 'Don't ask, don't tell' policy internally. You may not like this but I don't see how you can claim it is inconsistent. I think that everyone, including polticians, is entitled to say <I>"Mind your own business"</I> when asked intrusive questions. I don't think you have demonstrated any public interest in disclosure in your arguments so far.<BR/><BR/>My opinion is that Nationalism is a political creed and that it is whether someone loves their country that matters - not what they may or may not do in bed!<BR/><BR/>I think that your are confusing your own dislikes and prejudices with ideology. Save it for down the pub with your mates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-47993701956880538552008-06-18T18:47:00.000+01:002008-06-18T18:47:00.000+01:00Oh well. What a shock. Another agent is used again...Oh well. What a shock. Another agent is used against the Union. They will be running out soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-34183204454919455732008-06-17T17:20:00.000+01:002008-06-17T17:20:00.000+01:00Patrick Harrington is bixsexual. I believe that M...Patrick Harrington is bixsexual. I believe that Martin Webster is shortly to give the full SP on him in a piece about the bogus Solidarity union.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-24348694787953142232008-06-17T08:58:00.000+01:002008-06-17T08:58:00.000+01:00The 'pretend partners of the opposite sex' is a la...The 'pretend partners of the opposite sex' is a laugh. He has two kids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-77468627702244794392008-06-16T11:00:00.000+01:002008-06-16T11:00:00.000+01:00Oh do come off it Patrick, if one's sexuality isn'...Oh do come off it Patrick, if one's sexuality isn't an issue then why has your mother put in so much time and effort to find you pretend partners of the opposite sex for the benefit of the watching public?<BR/><BR/>Your sexuality is well known to everybody who has ever known you, so why the hypocrisy? To speak out for homosexual equality whilst remaining in the closet yourself is double standards at its very worst.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-18840848998995680892008-06-15T20:18:00.000+01:002008-06-15T20:18:00.000+01:00My contribution to the NorthWest Nationalists help...My contribution to the NorthWest Nationalists help for Third Way/NLP appeal (since they have only so far made about £2000 and the appeal closes tonight)* is the following:<BR/><BR/>With all the allegations and past accounts of gay sex and the like shouldn't Third Way be called Back Way?<BR/><BR/>LOL<BR/><BR/>* If you believe that Third Way has actually achieved the total amount of two grand to date then you have qualified to become a member of Britain's slowest growing party (Third Way)as you have no right to call yourself a sentient being.<BR/><BR/>In no way have they actually had 200 odd people donate more than two grand to their rip-off appeal. It's supposed to be to promote the ideals of liberty yet we all know that it is Third Way who are taking the bleeding liberty in lying to the public.<BR/><BR/>£2000 = No Way.<BR/><BR/>Third Way are liars. They should join the Labour Party for their lies and sleaze. They'd feel at home there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-18498349913617570592008-06-15T19:53:00.000+01:002008-06-15T19:53:00.000+01:00I thought that Third Way was a position from the K...I thought that Third Way was a position from the Kama Sutra.<BR/><BR/>Then someone told me it was.<BR/><BR/>It's when you shaft as many people as possible in one go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-45498162027467596092008-06-15T18:31:00.000+01:002008-06-15T18:31:00.000+01:00JT and Webster united in struggle! Well, No, not r...JT and Webster united in struggle! Well, No, not really! At the time of the 1979 split Webster was telling everyone who would listen that JT had shared a flat with him for many years (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). Nothing in it of course but that was Websters style. JT at the same time was writing articles about Webster propositioning young boys! Who is rewriting history here?<BR/><BR/>And, BTW, 1 of us is equivalent to 100 of you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-56079084301425241632008-06-15T14:27:00.000+01:002008-06-15T14:27:00.000+01:00Anonymous said"Why is it important that you know d...Anonymous said<BR/><BR/>"Why is it important that you know details of the private sexual lives of others? Do you regard Nick Griffin as your leader? What can you say to persuade me that this is not just another way of having a go at someone you differ with politically? If Nick Griffin were what you wished politically would you be raising this as an issue?"<BR/><BR/><BR/>It's important because what a political leader does in private reflects their conduct in public life.<BR/><BR/>A closet homosexual, a druggie or a swinger or someone who enjoys being thrashed and walked over in hi-heels by a dominatrix prostitute cannot be trsuted to give unbiased and moral views on those issues.<BR/><BR/>You don't expect a cannabis-smoking or cocaine-snorting MP to be able to speak and vote in the public interest on those issues would you?<BR/>Same with our nationalist leaders.<BR/><BR/>The BNP are supposed to be a nationalist party with clear views on the promotion of homosexuality and morality.<BR/><BR/>If Griffin has been cock-sucking then its members need to know about it. He should be honest enough to come clean and to stand on a platform of being gay and for the promotion of queerdom. Then we can all vote on it.<BR/><BR/>I despise Nick Griffin both as a politician and as a person. The man is undoubtedly corrupt and incompetent. But the fact that he has led a trail of allegations about his sexuality from his days in the NF are just additional burdens that raise more questions.<BR/><BR/>If he is indeed straight but led a life of debauchery, cheating, sex with prostitutes and porn then that would still bother me and many others a great deal and would justify extreme criticism.<BR/><BR/>If Griffin was a genuine nationalist and competent and not corrupt we would still give him justifiable stick if there were sound allegations of a sordid private lifestyle.<BR/><BR/>You see, all that we want is a decent and honourable individual who can lead us and whose character and lifestyle is beyond reproach.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-41081279552785536432008-06-15T12:46:00.000+01:002008-06-15T12:46:00.000+01:00Anonymous said the following. In the tradition of ...Anonymous said the following. In the tradition of Third Way who like to 'denconstruct' issues we shall now attempt to do the same here.<BR/><BR/>Martin Webster has made many allegations against diverse individuals over the years. He was kicked out of the NF because he had lost his earlier spark and had got lazy. Like you he is a very bitter person.<BR/><BR/>*** We shall leave Martin Webster to respond to these matters as he is the best person to do so. But to those who have had experience of the National Front it is clear that that organisation suffered hugely from internal factionalism, including State/Searchlight infiltration. The intensity of the factionalism within the NF leadership has been well-documented and was one of the primary reasons for the NF's decline. Individuals were forced out or expelled. So to state your factional propaganda and to rewrite history to suit your own agenda is disingenious. Good leaders like Tyndall and Webster were isolated by the pack mentality of other factions.<BR/><BR/> As Third Way has a progressive agenda on issues of sexuality I don't see what you hope to achieve. Were Pat Harrington Gay it would make not a jot of difference.<BR/><BR/>*** Clearly Third Way uses the politically correct term 'progressive' as some sort of positive statement. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is the Marxist-inspited social agendas of 'social equalityy' and PC and 'progressive politics' that has helped destroy this country and its society. Thid Way/NLP have embraced this Marxist poison of equality and diversity. They are not nationalists. They are traitors like the establishment liberal parties.<BR/><BR/>Third Way and the NLP welcome people without regard to their sexuality. That is a personal matter for them.<BR/><BR/>***That's your concerns. It's your party and you can lie if you want to. Have as many gays in your party as you want so that you can all feel comfortable and maybe if you get a membership of 20 or more you can all stage a queer orgy.<BR/><BR/>I just hope Third Way/NLP practise safe sex.<BR/><BR/>Go easy there you clay punchers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-39016320023214522362008-06-15T11:49:00.000+01:002008-06-15T11:49:00.000+01:00Oirishman said... "As a man of Oirish extractio...Oirishman said...<BR/><BR/> "As a man of Oirish extraction I always tort that the Turd Way was some form of homosexual act".<BR/><BR/>I have news for you Oirishman.<BR/><BR/>It is!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-67600563397333912008-06-15T11:28:00.000+01:002008-06-15T11:28:00.000+01:00We had plenty of allegations and personal accounts...<I>We had plenty of allegations and personal accounts from those close to Nick Griffin when he first challenged Jiohn Tyndall in 1999 about Griffin's alleged sexual relationship with Martin Webster. </I><BR/><BR/>Is there anyone from the old NF that Webster doesn't claim to have slept with? He uses his sexuality to smear those he falls out with politically. It is quite disgusting for a Gay man to act in this way - he is effectively seeking to benefit from homophobia.<BR/><BR/>I personally don't care whether Nationalists are Gay, Bi-sexual or Straight. It is a private matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-22146374332936432782008-06-14T18:04:00.000+01:002008-06-14T18:04:00.000+01:00It is important that we know what our leaders are ...<I>It is important that we know what our leaders are really like and what their sexual inclinations are.</I><BR/><BR/>Why is it important that you know details of the private sexual lives of others? Do you regard Nick Griffin as your leader? What can you say to persuade me that this is not just another way of having a go at someone you differ with politically? If Nick Griffin were what you wished politically would you be raising this as an issue?<BR/><BR/>Your 'Gay' conspiracy is at least a little different to your usual State/Zionist/Freemasonic one!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-52715833378204473192008-06-14T09:12:00.000+01:002008-06-14T09:12:00.000+01:00Anonymous said"It is curious that you and LU find ...Anonymous said<BR/><BR/>"It is curious that you and LU find so much in common desptie being from supposedly different ends of the political spectrum."<BR/><BR/>Strange you see fit to comment on that as Third way have described themselves as more akin to socialists.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, if we had so much in common with the Marxists at Lancaster Unity then we would be using the same language and criticisms of Third Way and Patrick Harrington as they sem to do, wouldn't we?<BR/><BR/>Like the comments that Mr Harrington is the "Great Fantasist" because he makes grandiose statements about himself and his work, claiming to be a "leader" of a "fake trade union", which is also referred to as the "Great Big Huge Onion".<BR/><BR/>But we wouldn't be so unkind to pass on such observations of the "Great Fantasist", Patrick Harrington, and his "Great Big Huge Onion" trade union now, would we?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-22914236378965161932008-06-14T08:08:00.000+01:002008-06-14T08:08:00.000+01:00It seems that we only get the truth from places li...It seems that we only get the truth from places like NorthWestNationalists and similar sites. You will never get the full facts from the Griffinite clones at the BNP who run a tightly controlled forum and censure anything that is considerd heretical and contrary to the Griffin dictatorship.<BR/><BR/>At NorthWestNationalists people are given an opportunity to debate.<BR/><BR/>I don't see the BNP or Third Way doing that ("Do what I tell you, not what I practise" sems to be their mantra).<BR/><BR/>It is important that we know what our leaders are really like and what their sexual inclinations are.<BR/><BR/>We had plenty of allegations and personal accounts from those close to Nick Griffin when he first challenged Jiohn Tyndall in 1999 about Griffin's alleged sexual relationship with Martin Webster. <BR/><BR/>Although Griffin has since taken the rebels to court (and, rather surprisingly, not one left-wing agent or journalist for their damaging attacks against the BNP by using data protected information and secretly filming him), he has not once contradicted the accounts made by Martin Webster about their relationship and taken him to court.<BR/><BR/>Is it because he knows that the allegations are in fact true?<BR/><BR/>We have also heard allegations of Patrick Harrington's relationship with Martin Webster and accounts of his alleged sexuality.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that the National Front leadership at one time had a clique of people who have since been alleged as queers, either full-time queers or part-time queers.<BR/><BR/>At least people like Martin Webster has always been honest about their selves - as well as being a brave and principled leader.<BR/><BR/>We have also seen how Nick Griffin has always supported and helped Patrick Harrington, more so than his actual BNP members.<BR/><BR/>Now even the man in the street would begin to be asking the question, "Is there a homosexual clique running nationalism in this country and are sexual favours, past or present, being used to trade political favours?"<BR/><BR/>I think we should be told.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-1555997292293296872008-06-14T08:04:00.000+01:002008-06-14T08:04:00.000+01:00Martin Webster has made many allegations against d...Martin Webster has made many allegations against diverse individuals over the years. He was kicked out of the NF because he had lost his earlier spark and had got lazy. Like you he is a very bitter person. As Third Way has a progressive agenda on issues of sexuality I don't see what you hope to achieve. Were Pat Harrington Gay it would make not a jot of difference. Third Way and the NLP welcome people without regard to their sexuality. That is a personal matter for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-31870366279975656812008-06-13T23:05:00.000+01:002008-06-13T23:05:00.000+01:00I'm about to burst into a rendition of "We've hear...I'm about to burst into a rendition of "We've heard it all before".<BR/><BR/><BR/>No - we actually "Heard it on the Grapevine".<BR/><BR/>They say there's no smoke without fire and from we're sitting there's plenty of smoke (maybe he forgot to use the lube?).<BR/><BR/>However, we are all still waiting to hear what exactly did happen between Pat Harrington and Martin Webster in Ian Anderson's flat.<BR/><BR/>Maybe Martin Webster will have to comment to clarify matters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-57535925039691566092008-06-13T22:43:00.000+01:002008-06-13T22:43:00.000+01:00"Recycled smears. Very ecological."Thank you 'Thir..."Recycled smears. Very ecological."<BR/><BR/>Thank you 'Third Way borg'.<BR/><BR/>We at NW Nationalists like to think and act Green.<BR/><BR/>But is it true that Third Way have the best political washing machines?<BR/><BR/>They are said to white wash very well and to spin very effectively.<BR/><BR/>But then again the Accentuate 'PR' company operated by small-time businessman and Third Way apparatchik, Graham Willamson,is an extremely tatty and amateurish affair but Mr Williamson likes to think that he is a real pro though to be truthful he merely only plays at the game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32095749.post-59243371816417616642008-06-13T22:38:00.000+01:002008-06-13T22:38:00.000+01:00"Who is pulling your strings I wonder?"Unlike the ..."Who is pulling your strings I wonder?"<BR/><BR/>Unlike the Third Way who are being controlled and manipulated by Nick Griffin (although their primary motivation is personal greed), NW Nationalists are guided by their consciences and are therefore completely independent.<BR/><BR/>Unlike the chancers of Third Way who are well-known for their opportunism at every level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com